Angry!!!

[Blue]

Hello everybody.

Since i spent my first hollydays in thailand, (August 2001) i am continously about to collect allmost any information available.
I bought books (and i read them of course).
I looked for cultural reports about thailand (and tried to understand).
A friend lent me a book about buddhism. (I started to read it and i will go on!).
I begun to learn the language. (Really hard, but i´ll try to continue).
Well. Somebody may call me a fool. It doesn´t matter to me.

Finally i found a board on the web, to discuss all those things.
Nittaya is by far not the only forum, serving the needs and interests of poeple who love thailand.

When i viewed the contents of boards with the topic ´Thailand´ or ´Pattaya´(eg.), i could get mad!!!

  - The whole Nation is corrupt.
  - All women are whores.
  - Everybody try to trick you.
  - and so on...

This way, no wonder why intl. press, magazines and the internet don´t have better reports available.
No wonder, why tourists repeat that crap. No wonder about bad reports at all.

The whole nation is corrupt:
I haven´t seen yet! One may show me a nation whithout corruption.

All women are whores:
You really think so? Who made whores out of them?

Everybody try to trick you:
Don´t you look for profit yourself?  Poor guy!

Sorry everybody! When i started this posting, i was angry as hell! This because the contents of some boards.
While writing this posting, i felt better line by line.
It wasn´t my goal to hurt anybody. But i think, that might have been.

 

[MaGic]

Sawasdee kha Khon Blue,
I´d like to join your topic but its such a hard thing to talk about. Those discussions are about the respect and the truth of Thailand. As far as Thailand is still developing  then we would still see these messages as well.
I will be also disappointed if I´d read those topics, luckly me that I couldn´t read Deutsch. However, I´m glad to see that  at least - there is a one foreigner(its You) feel love to Thailand purely. That is a great deal to make Thai people look back themselve.

Greeting,
Pailin

 

[Harakon]

I just read your messages by chance as I was looking for an old topic about the Thai language.

I´d like to point out that the sex tourist´s view of Thailand is by far not omnipresent - there are places where you don´t have to bother these topics continuously. While that wasn´t the case in this forum about half a year or one year ago, the board owner separated these and those talks. So now you can chose wether you want or don´t want to inform yourself in that area.

Many had fun to provoke the common reader with their posts... But as the common reader doesn´t come across them nowadays (because he has to explicitly chose them), the provokers lost the interest.

Why am I writing this? I want to welcome you to read German, write German, learn German (although it´s difficult ), maybe even have some fun in that ´other´ part of the forum We´ll always be glad if you do! If you don´t want to bother with ´those´ topics, you surely don´t have to! If you should want ... yes you can. That is what the "Pattaya Board" is for. Maybe some people could learn from you...

Most people would understand written English, too. So maybe you even want to do that...

Harakon

 

[Noi]

Hi Harakon!

for this, you might  have ham or bacon and frie egg that;s right?

Noi

 

[Harakon]

Noi,
excuse me, but I must admit that I don´t quite get the point of what you´re saying. Could you give me a hint?

Harakon

Letzte Änderung: Harakon am 08.09.02, 12:23

 

[MaGic]

Harakon, Did you mean me? if so I wanna thanz to you for welcoming me to join those Topic.
I would try once....

 

[Harakon]

MaGic:

I reacted on your post - but of course I ask everybody to have a look there

See you soon?

Harakon

 

[Jiap]

Hallo Harakon

Of course! I did everytime whenever I read Nittaya Forum. I try to read and write German even sometimes I couldn´t understad exactly. I hope to improve my German as soon as possible. That time I can express my thought in German what the people talk bad about my country.

I try to learn about your country, your culture and etc.... in the good ways...good things and compare with our culture in optimistic. And I hope you and everybody do the same.

Jiap :-)
 

 

[MaGic]

Harakon, thankz for reacted my post, whatever I do appreciate it deeply.

 

[Guest]

MaGic,

To a certain extend I can understand your anger. I also do love Thailand. But each subject you mentioned represents an acute problem, about which one could and maybe should discuss more in-depth. And unfortunately they not get solved by stating “I don’t like to hear it, therefore it is not true”.

As a matter of fact your list could easily be prolonged. One could discuss about human rights which get violated on a regular basis, environmental problems which should be solved, the latent racism and so on.

Of course one could say: „clean first in front of your own door before condemn somebody else“

This would be a good point: but is it really the right way to justify one failure with another one?

One also could say: „you are not Thai so it’s anyway none of your business“

This is true. But is it correct in a globalized world, to close the eyes  by facing the problems in other countries just because one not possesses citizenship?

One also could say:  “if you don’t like Thailand why you not look for an other “hobby””

I criticize because I love Thailand. If this would not be the case I would not care. A very clever guy ones stated: “just who is criticizing shows that he loves his country, because he cares and not turns away”.

“Let’s make the world a better place”

In this sense

Sanuk

 

[MaGic]

Well, different ppl, different mind.
thankz for passing your explaination here. by the way I didn´t mean I do anger any msg, did I?
I want to say again that this "topic" it was from a guy named "Blue". And no one post at his topic. I just wanted to be his company, that´s all.
I´m regret if there is any my words here make you guys feel bad-or whatever you have now.
Its glad if the foriegners love Thailand. Of course must be someone doesn´t.
And the msg I wrote that "lucky me that I could red Thai" , I really meant it. At least I knew a lots what was going on at Pattaya´s room. I already heard a lots about it. Its an endless story.
However thankz for showing me your idea.
I accept just some, not all.
Regards,
Pailin

 

[MaGic]

change "lucky me that I could red Thai"  --> "lucky me that I could read Deutsch"

Original erstellt von MaGic:
Well, different ppl, different mind.
thankz for passing your explaination here. by the way I didn´t mean I do anger any msg, did I?
I want to say again that this "topic" it was from a guy named "Blue". And no one post at his topic. I just wanted to be his company, that´s all.
I´m regret if there is any my words here make you guys feel bad-or whatever you have now.
Its glad if the foriegners love Thailand. Of course must be someone doesn´t.
And the msg I wrote that "lucky me that I could red Thai" , I really meant it. At least I knew a lots what was going on at Pattaya´s room. I already heard a lots about it. Its an endless story.
However thankz for showing me your idea.
I accept just some, not all.
Regards,
Pailin

 

[Guest]

McGic,

I am sorry. Please accept my apology. My mail was directed to Blue. I mixed something up here.

However, nobody has to share my point of view. It is, in no way my intention to destroy any dreams. But dreams can be dangerous when facing the reality. Many bad prepared Expats could tell you a lot of stories, which are far away from what a tourist experiences.

To be informed, not just means to know about the sunny side, it also means to know about the shadows.

Knowing this, can prevent from lot of troubles. And unexpected troubles in fact could spoil the picture a lot.

When Blue e.g. states: All women are whores: You really think so? Who made whores out of them?

I would say: No I don’t think so. But I also know that not the sex tourists in general, and also not the US soldiers who served in Vietnam are alone responsible. They just took advantage of the situation they found at the time and extended it.

However, like said above I do not want to force anybody to read my thought if there is no interest. Therefore, if you like to e.g. know more about the “History of prostitution in Thailand” please say so.  About a year ago I wrote a short essay about this issue in an English forum I could copy here (short form of a book I read). And the resonance was very positive.


Sanuk

 

[MaGic]

Original erstellt von siamtalotcan:
McGic,

I am sorry. Please accept my apology. My mail was directed to Blue. I mixed something up here.

I don´t accept your apology, unless you buy us (MadMac and I ) beers!! We´re going to Germany soon, be prepared. By the way, I have to warn you that MadMac is good drinker.

Hahaha...just kidding. You did nothing wrong, don´t need to say sorry.

This forum is an open-mind. Anybody can show up their idea.
And I must say that I do like you thought very much.

Best Regards,
Pailin

 

[Noi]

Hi nong Pailin

Speech of drink and I would like to be also gladly thereby
Pee Noi

 

[Blue]

Hello everybody.

@siamtalotcan
First i´d like to thank you for your reply. I agree with most of your statements. I have to confess one of the biggest mistakes, one can do when writing in a board like this.
I started this thread while i was furious as hell. After i hit the send-button, i felt better. The day after, when i read the posting again, i found myself a bit ashamed.
The problems, i told about, aren´t really problems and if there any, they´re not mine.
As you stated before: One should clean in front of his own door first. You´re right!
This way, i hope, not to do same mistakes again. They´re too stupid.

 

[Guest]

@Blue,

I cannot see that you did a mistake. If I got this right, you fall in love with Thailand after your first visit. There is nothing bad about it at all. The same happened to me over a decade ago.

You are also right by stating you should not care about the problems in Thailand. I did not neither. And everybody speaking bad about Thailand would have been a traitor in my eyes.

The challenge here is, that this is the comfort one only can afford as long as you are there on a tourist visa and no need occurs to visit any governmental office. Or god behalf having any unintentional contact with the Police e.g. because of a car accident. Since then I look at Thailand with a changed optic. Meaning: e.g. corruption, unfair treatment just because you are a foreigner etc. are a fact.

However, I still love Thailand and one day I intent to live their for ever. BUT with the correct glasses on.

@MaGic,

I would love to invite you and MadMac to a beer (MadMac is this something like a running Hamburger  just a joke). But as I live with my wife in Switzerland this might be quite a trip (depends from which part of Germany you come from). However, I do have a car and also quite an amount on bonus miles.

Sanuk

 

[Harakon]

Original erstellt von MaGic:
And the msg I wrote that "lucky me that I could red Thai" , I really meant it. At least I knew a lots what was going on at Pattaya´s room. I already heard a lots about it.

Pattaya´s room is just not comparable... In my eyes, that´s where the discussions are directed that nobody wants to see. (Except the Pattaya fans of course.) You´d be surprised how open minded and enthusiastic about Thailand (save Pattaya) everybody is in the rest of the forum.

Your visit will be a perfect time to start learning German, woudn´t it? Then you´ll see! Jiap and Noi, do you agree?

 

[Blue]

Original erstellt von siamtalotcan:
@Blue,

I cannot see that you did a mistake. If I got this right, you fall in love with Thailand after your first visit.

However, I still love Thailand and one day I intent to live their for ever. BUT with the correct glasses on.

Hello siamtalotcan.

Within the quoted parts of your statement, i see my primary failure.
For sure! I did fall in love with this spot of the world. I was deeply impressed about the easy way, thai-poeple go, even if shit happens.

I confess, that i also dream a dream as you do. I´d like to spend my late years in Thailand. But when the bubbles have gone and the sight becomes clearer, the reality breaks in and tells me ´Hey bud, welcome back to your own world!´
Theese occurences allmost remind me to drop my ´pink glasses´.
But when the heart is about to stampede, the brain collapses hopelessly.

Somebody may need the right stuff consumed to feel like this, for me, half an hour on the wrong board with the wrong poeple will make it too.

Well, what i wanted to say is simple. To stay pat with my meaning is one way. To compare with others meanings is another way. But to keep cool even if i can see, the other´s statements are foolish, sometimes become impossible. To see this helpless state of myself was the reason why i´ve been  that disappointed.

As you can see, i by myself have been the goal of my stampede. And that´s the reason why i felt ashamed.

Okay. I hope, this is history. Nevertheless i´d like to thank you gals and guys for your tollerance and kindly behaviour.