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Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

Erstellt von DisainaM, 01.09.2006, 15:34 Uhr · 19 Antworten · 884 Aufrufe

  1. #11
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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    chak3: Der Artikel sagt nicht, dass 78% der Mütter minderjährig sind, sondern dass 78% der jungen (minderjährigen?) Mütter noch zur Schule gingen.

    Genau!

    Und da kein Bezug zu absoluten Zahlen gegeben wird, weder zur Gesamtbevölkerung noch zu einer demographisch eindeutig klassifizierbaren Gruppe, ist die Statistik völlig wertlos.

    Es wundert mich schon, dass die Nation so einen Unsinn druckt.

    Cheers, X-Pat

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  3. #12
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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    Zitat Zitat von DisainaM",p="393985
    34,7 % sind jünger als 14 Jahre,
    43 % sind zwischen 14 und 20 Jahre

    und der Rest, also

    22,3 % müssen also zwischen 20 und [highlight=yellow:70dae2c39e]???[/highlight:70dae2c39e] Jahren sein.
    na gut, die Nation lässt uns mit einem Teil der Statistik im unklaren,

    selber würde ich schätzen, dass die älteste Schwangere in Thailand ev. ca. 50 Jahre sein könnte,
    wobei das Reale nichts mit dem heutigen medizinisch machbaren zutun hat.


    Der thailändische Generationenvertrag wird IMO hauptsächlich durch Frauen zwischen 12 und 20 bewältigt.

    Da die Entwicklung zweigt, dass die Geburtenrate weiter sinkt, wie auch erfreulicherweise die Geburten aufgrund von ..............en,

    werden wir für Deutschland keine Lösung unserer Probleme daraus ableiten können.

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    Passanant Assawarak, of King Mongkut´s University of Technology Thon Buri, carried out an in-depth study subsidised by the National Culture Commission of mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital.
    Es handelt sich um eine Untersuchung ueber die Bewohnerinnen von Heimen fuer Madchen in Not. Mit der Gesamtbevoelkerung haben diese Zahlen das rein gar nichts zu tun. Das ist etwa so wie wenn man eine Untersuchung unter den Patienten eines Krankenhauses durchfuehrt und dabei feststellt dass 80% der Patienten gesundheitliche Probleme haben.

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    woody
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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    @ffm, danke.

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    englische Sprache, schwere Sprache :???:

    also meine Übersetzung,
    .................................................. .....
    Passanant Assawarak, of King Mongkut´s University of Technology Thon Buri,
    Passanant Assawarak, von der King Mongkut´s Universität für Technologie Thon Buri,

    carried out an in-depth study
    führte eine eingehende Studie durch,

    subsidised by the National Culture Commission of mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital.
    die von der
    National Culture Commission of mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital
    subventioniert wurde.

    .................................................. ......

    also, die gesamte Bezeichnung der Kommission lautet
    National Culture Commission [highlight=yellow:884b0b35f2]of[/highlight:884b0b35f2] mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital

    und dieses Kommission hat die Studie subventioniert.

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    Zitat Zitat von DisainaM",p="393883
    an in-depth study of mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital.
    Ist doch eindeutig worum es geht.

    Eben nicht um die Gesamtbevoelkerung von BKK sondern um "Mothers in several emergency homes" .

    Sioux
    der nicht versteht, wie jemand so etwas auf die GEsamtbevoelkerung beziehen kann.

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    Kommissionsnamen auf Thai, die dann übersetzt werden,
    fallen etwas lang aus,

    die National Culture Commission of mothers
    würde keinen Sinn ergeben.

    es müsste heissen,
    National Culture Commission about mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital,
    oder
    National Culture Commission [highlight=yellow:830b4b62c5],[/highlight:830b4b62c5] of mothers in several emergency homes for girls in the capital.
    wenn die andere Übersetzung stimmen würde.

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    Sioux
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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung



    Ich gebs auf.

    Sioux

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    versöhnlich sollte es stimmen,
    dass selbst unter englisch-muttersprachlich-aufgewachsenden Lesern hierüber Probleme entstanden sind,

    http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index....pic=81126&st=0

    eben weil die Überschrift des NATION Berichtes lautet :
    Most young mums still schoolgirls

    und damit eine Schlussfolgerung des Redakteurs der NATION aufgrund seiner Berichts-grundlage,
    welcher ihn zu dieser allgemeingültigen Überschrift führte.

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    Re: Th. Gesellschaft bleibt jung

    In der heutigen NATION wurde der Artikel übrigens nun von einer Redakteurin weiter aufgenommen

    und gibt von der beabsichtigten Übersetzung Euch recht

    VENUS'S VISION
    5ex education more urgent with kids growing up faster

    My daughter had her first period recently, and I thought, "Wow! She's grown up so quickly."


    Then I realised my little girl had turned into a woman. In scientific terms, she is now a "fertile female".


    To me, she's still just a little kid who spends her free time watching the Cartoon Network and playing computer games, has no interest in boys and refuses to sleep alone. But she is also becoming a woman, and it leaves me in a dilemma about when to tell her about boys.


    I can't recall what my own mother had to say to me back then. 5ex was not part of the essential parenting agenda of that time, and in fact it's still not a priority. And if there had been anything said at all, it would be like what my friend in her 50s told me:


    "I remember discussing periods with my grandma, and she told me, 'When you have a period, don't sit near a man on the bus; otherwise, you'll get pregnant like chickens - with a 'khai lom' [literally, an 'air egg', or unfertilised egg]. So one day I told my mum I'd not had my period for two months and that I thought I was pregnant. Mum was horrified! She asked how it happened. I said I sat near a man on the bus. My mother knew it must be my grandma's tale."


    Such a trick was quite handy in the old days, but it's obsolete for today's teens. Our children's lifestyle is not the one we knew. They grow up faster now and seem to start everything sooner.


    Parents like me find it easier to pretend that 5ex has nothing to do with children than to talk about it. Because 5ex in Thailand, even in the 21st century, is still a dirty word. We hardly ever talk openly about it among adults, let alone with kids.


    But we know there's a chance our children will have problems without a basic knowledge of 5ex. And it's heartbreaking to learn that so many girls facing an unwanted pregnancy are as young as the ones running around in your own home or neighbourhood.


    One study showed that 43 per cent of young mothers in "emergency homes" were 14-20 years old, with another 34.7 per cent were under 14 and in secondary school. We tend to view victims of inadequate 5ex education as only "kids", but under the rules of science, once you have your first period, you can conceive.


    The sooner the better in preventing children from falling victim to their own immature acts, I guess. We have to do it ourselves, because our education system still considers 5ex taboo as a topic. It was not until secondary school that I studied 5exual organs and why we girls menstruated and only then because I took science. The students in the arts programme hardly learned anything about the facts of life.


    And things haven't changed much today; this rather delicate subject rests solely on the parents' shoulders. Not to my surprise, the Family Network Foundation reports that most parents are uncomfortable teaching 5ex education themselves. Worse still, schoolteachers who teach health-related subjects tend to lack the confidence to teach about 5ex. That means every child relies solely on parents like me for their 5ex education. But coming to our rescue is a parental guide to children's 5ex education to be released by the foundation and based on the results of a pilot project they conducted with participating parents and their teenagers. It is like a drop of water in the desert and probably a good start for someone like me who is still lost. Where and how to start with a daughter as young as 11?


    I'd like to extend my compliments to the foundation on its practical approach, especially its criticism towards policy-makers who are still fighting a "rearguard action". I couldn't have agreed more when the foundation pinpointed what is perhaps the heart of the problem: policy-makers don't take 5exual education seriously. Remember that controversial "Khu Mue Wai Sai" - a 5ex guide for teenagers - that was cancelled because critics said it contained inappropriate content? Many believed it encouraged children to have 5ex instead of protecting them. There's been no similar project since.


    As usual, the Education Ministry responded quickly to the sad facts of the research results cited above but still kept firmly to its rearguard action. Its so-called "aggressive measures", emphasising the prevention of 5exual assault against schoolchildren, are far from impressive. Nothing has been said about how to avoid premature 5ex among students. In brief, the ministry doesn't believe 5ex education is really needed.


    Policy-makers are a rather nostalgic lot, and they may not quite understand that society as they knew it in their youth has changed. We grew up with black-and-white television and watched Thai and Bollywood films, while our kids are bombarded with Hollywood flicks and sensational soap operas. We had only public telephones and no inkling that phones would ever be mobile. We learned from textbooks, while our children can search for anything they're interested in on the Net. Any policy or action plan based on the old school of thought would not be practical in this new media age.


    At 11, my girl is, of course, closely monitored, and I always know what she's up to. But in a few years, I'm not certain if I'll still know what she does after school, whom she chats with on MSN or which websites she visits. Since it will be impossible for me to follow her every step, I'd rather make her knowledgeable about 5ex. At the very least, I can demonstrate how premature 5ex and an unwanted pregnancies ruin young girls' lives. I'll try my best to tell her that 5ex is not dirty or taboo, but rather something she can enjoy once she's a grown-up and mature enough.


    I am, however, faced with a dilemma about whether to teach my little girl about condoms and birth-control pills or trust to my luck and pray she'll be a smart kid. As for you parents with sons, I think it would not cost anything for them to learn how to use a condom, as well as that they could ruin more than one life by fathering a child before the proper time.

    Veena Thoopkrajae

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