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Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

Erstellt von simon, 14.02.2007, 19:00 Uhr · 44 Antworten · 6.439 Aufrufe

  1. #31
    Avatar von Ampudjini

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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Zitat Zitat von x-pat",p="452290
    Wenn die Dame auch nur ein bischen Rückgrat gehabt hätte, dann hätte sie den Herren etwas gehustet. Aber sie ist eben auch selbst Thai und kann anscheinend nicht über den eigenen Schatten springen. So ist das Drama schließlich zur Zufriedenheit aller zuende geheuchelt worden, und jeder darf sich wieder als "pu dii", bzw. als besserer Mensch fühlen.
    Is doch alles super, sie war in den Schlagzeilen, die Uni hat sie scheinbar bekehrt und alle sind glücklich.

    In Thailand is die PR-Arbeit halt noch einfacher. ;-D


    Zitat Zitat von maphrao",p="452345
    Zitat Zitat von simon",p="452333
    Denn die Frauen besitzen etwas das wir Männer nur vom Hörensagen kennen, Selbstwertgefühl im 5exualverhalten.
    Was für´n Ding? :???:
    Männer?? Das sind diese schrecklichen haarigen Biester... :O

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  3. #32
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Zitat Zitat von simon",p="452333
    Denn je mehr eine junge Frau ihr Leben selber bestimmt, mit allem was dazu gehört, Bildung, Zukunft, Auftreten in der Gesellschaft etc., desto mehr hat sie auch Kontrolle über die eigene 5exualität.

    --- und ---

    Ein schlecht gekleidetes Landmädel kriegst du unheimlich viel einfacher in den Heuhaufen als ein mit Minirock bewaffnetes, extrem selbstbewusstes Chick. Denn die Frauen besitzen etwas das wir Männer nur vom Hörensagen kennen, Selbstwertgefühl im 5exualverhalten.
    Genau in diesen Punkten liegt auch der Grund für die heuchlerisch moralische Entrüstung der Sittenwächter. Zuerst haben sie (zu reinen Studienzwecken natürlich) die (für Thailand) freizügigen Fotos eingehend studiert, dann hat sich (unbewusst) bei ihnen die Erkenntnis breitgemacht "hoppla, wenn die sich so selbstbewusst präsentiert, dann bekommen wir die ja nie in die Kiste, das ist das Ende des Thai-Macho-Systems, also müssen wir eingreifen"

    Die Bilder der jungen Dame sind doch wirklich dezent, wenn ich etwa vergleichsweise an Paris Hilton oder Britney Spears denke, die bei den heutigen Preisen für Stoff auch sparen müssen wo´s geht. :-)

  4. #33
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Nagut, dann hat die Dame nur in 5 von ihren Filmen den Auftritt im Adams/Eva-anzug gehabt,
    einer davon war weiblicher Tarzan in Thailand

    Gut, um ihre Filme hat sich weder ihre Agentur, noch noch ihre Uni mokiert,
    jetzt aber, wo sie auch schon in die Jahre gekommen ist,
    wird das Abendkleid thematisiert.
    Verglichen mit anderen, gewagteren Kleidern, mit Durchsicht auf eine pralle Katoeybrust, sah es zwar eher nach einer Party der plastischen Chirugie aus,
    aber seis drum, man wollte an ihr ein Exempel statuieren.

    Es ist wohl wenig patriotisch, zu einer Zeit, wo man dem Einfluss der westlichen Werte in Thailand den Kampf angesagt hat, nun dieses Bild zu praktizieren,
    was zur Zeit so schädlich für das Land ist.

    Geht es den sog. Moralisten schließlich auch darum, das emotionale Einheitsgefühl mit der muslimischen Bevölkerung wieder herzustellen, um eine weitere Fremdbestimmung aus dem muslimischen Ausland einzuschränken.
    Wahrscheinlich fürchten manche Thais, dass es bei ihrern Muslims zu einer Zunahme des Kopftuchzwanges kommt, weil die moralische Kompetenz nicht mehr in Thailand befindet.

  5. #34
    Godefroi
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Ich erinnere mich nicht genau, aber ich glaube vor ein paar Jahren trat mal eine Sängerin in einer deutschen Unterhaltungsshow auf, da gab's auch Diskrepanzen um ihr Kleid. Sie hat hinterher auch eine öffentliche Erklärung abgegeben, soweit ich das mitbekommen habe.

  6. #35
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Cher
    Sarah Connor
    bei "Wetten Dass" ;-D

    der Lothar aus Lembeck

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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Zitat Zitat von Ampudjini",p="452352
    Männer?? Das sind diese schrecklichen haarigen Biester... :O
    Das habe ich aber hier in einigen Haarthreads schon mal anders gelesen! ;-D

    Sorry offtopic :schaem:


    phi mee

  8. #37
    Godefroi
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    Zitat Zitat von Ampudjini",p="452352
    Männer?? Das sind diese schrecklichen haarigen Biester... :O
    Warum enthaaren sich dann bloß massenweise Frauen? ;-D

  9. #38
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    wer dachte, die Sache wäre vorbei,
    der irrt ;-D



    Here comes the culture brigade
    A department under the Ministry of Culture, whose mission is to 'protect the nation's culture and values through the process of surveillance,' is on the lookout for everything from inappropriate ringtones to promiscuously worn university uniforms, writes ERIKA FRY


    High above Bangkok in the 18th-storey offices of Thailand's Cultural Surveillance Centre, the nation's moral monitors are hard at work.

    They surf the internet. They watch movies. They scan the pages of glossy girlie magazines in search of women that are objectionably topless (there is a fine, but significant line between bare-chested and bare-breasted, I am told).



    Should they get bored, there are 40-some television screens that line the far wall and flicker with broadcasts of the fashion channel and cable news to keep tabs on.

    It is they - the Ministry of Culture's eight culture monitors - that make the calls on what in the nation's ever-thickening (so I am also told) annals of smut to blur, block, cover with black boxes, or ban altogether.

    They are the nation's censorers, and it is here, at the brazenly named centre, where they report each day on a mission to uncover cultural inappropriateness so the rest of the country doesn't have to? - doesn't get to? - can't.

    Just this year, they've pulled the plug on Camfrog, publicly chided the allegedly, but not actually underwearless "safety pin dress" of aspiring actress Amy and shaken their heads at Coyote girls and the promiscuously worn university uniform.

    While the Surveillance Centre has had its eye on culture and issues of national morality for a decade now, the office has taken on new importance with widespread calls - from post-coup political leadership, the Culture Ministry, and the majority of those surveyed in a recent Suan Dusit poll - to clean up the nation's morals.

    Evidence and cause of the nation's "moral crisis" vary widely depending on whom you ask; blame ranges from new technology to the Thaksin administration (which ironically founded Thailand's Moral Centre); evidence runs from the conspicuous consumption of Thai teens to the success of Thaksin's populist policies to the fact that Thailand has dipped to 12th (of 13) in the regional corruption ratings. Meanwhile, most of the Suan Dusit surveyees took issue with teens wearing shoulder-baring spaghetti strap tops.

    While some of these concerns may be valid, strategies to recalibrate the nation's moral compass, so far, have been similarly scattershot and have come with the sweeping, unfocused urgency of a moral crusade.

    There has been the alcohol control bill (banning advertising and lifting drinking age to 20, endorsed earlier this week), a plan to mandate morality training for the country's senior military cadets, and a 10 p.m. Valentine's Day curfew to control the nation's 5exually-eager teens.

    And then there are the fast-expanding efforts of the nation's Surveillance Centre. While the term "surveillance" carries weighty connotations of government invasiveness and freedom-curtailment in the West, the concept does not register the same concerns here.

    Operating under the Ministry of Culture, the Cultural Surveillance Centre's mission is to "protect the nation's culture and values through the process of surveillance," in the words of its director, Ladda Thangsupachai, and to "disseminate cultural information as a means of providing immunity against cultural mutation; and serving as a focal point of culture monitoring network dedicated to safeguarding of Thai cultural identities," in the words inscribed on the cover of its quarterly Journal of Culture Surveillance Center. The periodical is distributed to Thai embassies abroad and foreign embassies in Thailand.

    "Surveillance" entails review of the local and foreign media, arts, film, and Internet, as well as observation of citizens and public events for insight into fashion and recreational trends. The culture monitors occasionally go afield, for example, on teen-watching missions to internet cafes and Ratchada, or on trips to the provinces on the lookout for Coyote girls dancing at temples.


    Director Ladd

    GLOBALISATION FEEDING THE FLAMES

    According to Ladda, threats for cultural mutation are greater than ever these days because of globalisation, the growing presence of international media and cultural imports, and developments in technologies and communications.

    While she recognises that these forces can bring "cross-cultural gifts" and other positive social change, she also believes if Thai people are not prepared for them, the nation's moral and cultural values will be (and already have been) lost or compromised.

    When the office opened 10 years ago it was a much smaller operation, and Ladda's work (she was also the director then) was concentrated almost entirely on film and ..........ic video and VCDs.

    With the tide of globalisation and explosion of the Internet, though, it was realised that the "the problem of culture was growing," and that the office "needed to take on a much larger role." She says it became apparent that Thailand needed special protection, not just to protect culture but to "create policy to protect a new generation and develop culture to go along with the emerging world."

    She says fast food typifies the effects of and the nation's relationship with imported cultures. "It is delicious and easy to consume compared to Thai food. Yet while it is convenient, in the end it is not for the best."

    Ladda says surveillance efforts are targetted to guard against four particular cultural offences: inappropriate representation of national or religious symbols, offensive language, violence, and 5exual content.

    Criteria for the Centre's censoring seem otherwise vague, though Ladda says the Centre usually uses public opinion as the gauge of cultural appropriateness. She adds that in many cases, the Centre's review or investigation of a material is triggered by the complaint or tip they receive from a concerned citizen. "If society shows feelings or says something is not suitable, the ministry informs the police to take action."

    As there is a lot of culture to consume for its just eight officers, the Centre has groomed a group of volunteer monitors that inform on troubling media, arts or cultural trends. Ladda hopes the Culture Surveillance Network of 500,000, which includes educators, families and high school students recruited to attend "culture camp," and then form a school morality club, will number a million by the year's end. She invites anyone to join the network, including, me.

    She says it was citizen vigilance (of parents, internet cafe owners, and even teens) that brought about the recent blocking of the website, Camfrog, a video-conferencing programme which was often used by teens in a game to broadcast .......ia, and the banning of Inside Out! Thailand, a guidebook to Thailand's cultural quirks that its expat authors found humourous, but the Centre and at least a handful of citizens found offensive.

    Yet, while the Surveillance Centre serves as a vocal arbiter of culture, it has little authority to actually enforce its judgements and is limited to public awareness campaigns and admonishments made in national press.

    Instead, the office plays an informant role, itself, taking its complaints to the police, who have the power to confiscate and penalise distributors of offensive media; the Public Relations Department, which has the power to silence TV and radio, and to the ICT, which has the power to block internet sites.

    When the Centre has a beef with an artist or venue abroad, it tips off the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which then parlays its concern, often through written correspondence, to the offending party. In the past, letters have been penned off to singer Christina Aguilerra for an inappropriate music video, to the publishers of an English dictionary for defining Bangkok in terms of its 5ex districts, and to a number of spas and restaurants which display the Buddha inappropriately.


    MYOPIC FOCUS?

    While the Surveillance Centre's eye is cast far and wide enough to scrutinise dictionaries and restaurant decor on foreign shores, their efforts interestingly steer clear of Nana, Patpong and a number of the nation's other locales which seem to teem with scantily-clad females and bootlegged copies of censored DVDs like Team America: World Police.

    This, I am told, is because those places are not part of national culture, but commercial and entertainment ventures that fall under the laws, regulations, and jurisdiction of the police. I ask whether such places have any impact on the nation's culture or morals, and she admits probably some, but says that such areas are mostly frequented by tourists and that it would be "strange" if Thailand didn't have such a place.

    She reminds me that Bangkok is not unlike other big cities: the Netherlands has Amsterdam; Singapore, it's 5ex shops; and America, Las Vegas. She adds that it is "impossible to get rid of unless we get rid of human desires."

    Later in the conversation, though, she speaks of the time she took an exploratory trip to Patpong for work. She calls it an immoral place for tourists that do not have normal behaviours.

    I ask her if it bothers her that Thailand attracts the abnormally behaving tourist who comes to do immoral things. She blames the tour companies and the negative image perpetuated by previous tourists and foreign media, presumably like the aforementioned dictionary.

    In addition to monitoring media and cultural trends, the Centre works to promote morality and cultural propriety through "knowledge management" projects that include an educational CD-Rom and the quarterly periodical that works hard to glorify traditions of the past, demonise those of the present, and regularly remind readers of nationalistic sentiments like, "It is incumbent on every Thai to safeguard, strengthen and enliven our culture as an ongoing process of life itself."

    Articles run from the informative and historical, "Appendix to Khon Masked Dance," to the somewhat alarmist and sermonising "Pernicious and toxic elements of adolescents," which warns of ringtones and other mobile phone features "designed to arouse excitements and weird humours," in a highly stylised, crusading rhetoric strangely similar to that used during the American temperance movement. Those were of course, ironically, the misunderstood days of jazz, when the Illinois Vigilance Association warned, "Moral disaster is coming to hundreds of young American girls through the pathological, nerve-irritating, 5ex-exciting music of jazz.".

    Nonetheless, it is Thailand's "pernicious and toxic generation" which concerns Ladda and culture watchers most. She believes Thai youth and teenagers are easily seduced and especially vulnerable to modern technologies and foreign influences.

    She blames these forces, and particularly the Internet, for having already loosened the younger generation's 5exual morals, encouraged frivolous spending habits, and led to video game addictions, that she suspects will one day be linked to brain damage.

    Ladda is also troubled by the trend for youth to dress fashionably, and not practically - with tendencies to turn up at movie theaters in tank tops ("dangerous" to health because of the cool theater temperatures) and to class in uniforms which are too short and too tight. (She also calls this fashion choice dangerous, alleging that snug clothes can stifle breathing and lead to 5ex crimes.)

    She is pleased with the student movements she sees at universities, encouraging proper uniform dress, saying that she would much rather see positive change through education and social sanction, than official bans on things.

    While there is little sign the Surveillance Centre's activities will be scaled back anytime soon (there is legislation in the works to hand the police authorities over to the office), Ladda says the Centre will shift its focus away from censoring culture to rating it. Prompted by discussions with the public and her own long-thought-upon vision for stronger media regulation, the Centre helped to develop the TV rating system that was launched last December, and which will be expanded to cover film, Internet, video games, and movie theatres in the future.

    Ladda explains the media's producer will rate their product according to content (if ratings are understated, the producer will be punished), though the system certainly still comes with touches from the heavy, moralising hand of the Culture Ministry. Reminders that "this action is against morality" are planned to accompany scenes involving mistresses, gambling, alcohol, smoking, and other vice.

    Certainly morals and culture are changing, and certainly, like fast food, it is not all for the best.

    Yet, at the same time, one must wonder if a moral campaign waged through Internet blocking and citizen surveillance, is more a political effort to control than it is to cultivate moral citizens. Or whether a crusade that targets the arousing nature of mobile phone ring tones, but not the arousements of Patpong, is motivated more by a discomfort with change than by total moral decline.

    This is the first of a three-part series on Thailand's moral crusade.


    WHAT GETS CUT

    When the Surveillance Centre encounters media or a product it finds to be culturally inappropriate, it is censored.

    The extent of the censoring depends on the extent of the offence, and in all cases must be reviewed and confirmed by a panel of experts from the government, as well as media, educational, religious, and legal fields.

    The film 'The King and I' and'buddha.....com', a New York-based ..........ic site, are among the cultural discards for offending national and religious custom.

    Cultural Surveillance Centre director Ladda Thangsupachai says informational censorships of this kind are rare, and usually only necessary with texts from foreign authors who do not understand the cultural climate, adding that Thais usually know the bounds of appropriateness and respect them.

    ''Most of the public agrees with censorship of books that are not culturally appropriate. Those that want to read whatever they can want all freedoms, but have to understand they can have freedom, but it must be within the law.''

    She says there are differences in the way of life, customs, and education levels here that change the issue.

    She points to the local press' sensationalism and tendencies to publish gruesome pictures and tabloid journalism, to illustrate the cultural differences in information management.

    Meanwhile films, television and magazines are regularly edited to guard against offensive language, violence and 5exual content.

    Films frequently have scenes cut or modified. A scene involving gratuitous violence, say a gun put to a baby's head, would be cut, explains Ladda, while in other productions like 'Music and Lyrics', a romantic comedy still in theatres, the image of a large Buddha set behind scenes of song and dance is merely blurred.

    If the filmmaker is Thai, the Centre will recommend ways in which he or she can change the film, so the Centre will not have to censor it.

    Ladda says only a few films have been banned outright. Among these are 'City of God', an acclaimed Brazilian film, based on true events, where children engage in gratuitous violence, 5ex and drug-taking, and 'Team America: World Police', an unacclaimed American film, where puppets engage in gratuitous violence and 5ex.



    http://www.bangkokpost.com/Perspecti...07_pers001.php

    wird die moralische Zensur sich zu einer ähnlichen Instanz entwickeln,
    wie die Religionsräte in Malaysia ?

    Thailands Liberalität Anfang der 90 Jahre war,
    was die Print Medien anging, sehr viel offenherziger,
    obgleich man sich an verschlossende Titelbilder hielt.

    Ein kultureller Clash war jedoch nicht aufgrund der Globalisierung vorprogrammiert,
    sondern aufgrund des menschlichen Austausches von zurückgekehrten US-Thais, die, was die Kinder anging, ein anderes Weltbild mitbrachten.

    Schaut man sich die Architektur der Häuser an, die Rama der 5 in Thailand errichten ließ, stellt man fest, dass es immer schon einen Austausch der Kulturen gab,
    was sich allerdings geändert hat,
    ist die Gelassenheit, damit heutzutage umzugehen.

  10. #39
    woody
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    Zitat Zitat von DisainaM",p="463219
    .......
    Thailands Liberalität Anfang der 90 Jahre war,
    was die Print Medien anging, sehr viel offenherziger,
    obgleich man sich an verschlossende Titelbilder hielt...

    Ein kultureller Clash war jedoch nicht aufgrund der Globalisierung vorprogrammiert,
    sondern aufgrund des menschlichen Austausches von zurückgekehrten US-Thais, die, was die Kinder anging, ein anderes Weltbild mitbrachten.......
    Den Zusammenhang sehe ich auch. Die neunen 'Moralwaechterinnen' in Thailand erinnern mich in grossem Masse an die kleinkarierten, verlogenen Hinterwelter des amerikanischen mittleren Westens.

  11. #40
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    Re: Studentin wird bestraft wegen 5exy Kleidung an Fimgala..

    da gab es schon mal so eine eher Anekdote.Marion Michael als Nackedei im Urwald.Muss so in den fuenfziger Jahren des letzten Jahrhunderts im Kino gelaufen sein oder auf dem Index gelandet sein, sofern die FSK (freiwillige Selbstkontrolle) richtig funktioniert hat.

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