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Probleme an der Thai-Malayischen Grenze

Erstellt von DisainaM, 19.12.2006, 02:24 Uhr · 23 Antworten · 3.017 Aufrufe

  1. #11
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    Re: Probleme an der Thai-Malayischen Grenze

    Zitat Zitat von Otto-Nongkhai",p="428623
    das islamische Malaysia ist bestimmt kein Freund der Thai Lebensweise.
    Thais fahren nach Malaysia fast nur,um illegal zu arbeiten,da die Loehne in Malaysia hoeher sind.
    Du täuscht Dich Otto, Du kennst nicht das Pattaya von Südthailand,
    die th. Grenzstadt Betong.

    Diese th. Grenzstädte haben einen atemberaubenden Wirtschaftsboom aufgrund ihres Prostitutionsangebotes an die malayische Singel-Bevölkerung.

    Da diese Städte überwiegend in Chinesischer Hand sind, ist der reglmäßige Import von illegalen Cinesinnen von Nord-Thailand bis zu den südlichen Städten Thailand durch die thai-chinesischen Triaden Joint-ventures höchst proffessionell organisiert, sodass der steigende Bedarf an Frauen fristgerecht gedeckt werden kann.

    So sind bei den dortigen Behörden die Kassen prall gefüllt, und man kann es sich leisten, sich für 80 Mio $ mal eine Universität zu leisten,
    damit ist man dann auch im Stande, den weitere Nachfrage an Chinesinnen durch Vergabe von Studentenvisa zu legalisieren.

    background-info Betong

    Thai mayor seeks to turn brothel town into college hub

    BETONG: -- If Thailand´s three southernmost provinces are in the grip of a bloody separatist struggle, you certainly wouldn´t know it from a visit to Betong, a boom town on the Thai-Malaysian border.

    An estimated 1,000 people have died from separatist-related violence in the deep South - comprising Narathiwat, Pattani and Yala provinces - since January last year, but in Betong, a vibrant border town in Yala, 850 kilometres south of Bangkok, business is hopping.

    Two big hotels, the 400-room Mandarin and 250-room Garden View, are scheduled to open this December, boosting Betong´s total room capacity to 3,800 units.

    [highlight=yellow:104283e4a6]An estimated 350,000 tourists, mostly elderly Malaysian men in search of "rest and recreation", visit Betong each year.[/highlight:104283e4a6] The city´s other main source of income is from rubber exports across the border to Malaysia for shipment out of Penang port.

    Last year, Betong took a new step for its economy by opening a Ratchapak University branch at a magnificent palace-like structure on the hill overlooking the town that cost the municipality 1.7 billion (41.5 million dollars) to build.

    The university outlet kicked off modestly in 2004 by offering Mandarin classes to 80 local students - half of them Thai Moslems, but Betong Mayor Awut Mongkhonprajak has much bigger plans for the campus.

    "Actually, our plan is to build a Chinese International University in Betong but since the institution has not been registered and the curriculum hasn´t been finalized we´re cooperating with Ratchapak University to start offering a Chinese language programme now," said Awut.

    The mayor has allocated a budget of 3.2 billion baht (78 million dollars) to build the university campus at the foot of Betong hill, below the hilltop Ratchapak campus. Construction is set to begin on the university by the end of the year, Awut claimed.

    His planned Chinese International University, will target students from Thailand and neighbouring Malaysia - where there are 60 Chinese language high schools but still no Chinese university - and the rest of Southeast Asia.

    [highlight=yellow:104283e4a6]"We have a very Chinese environment in Betong," [/highlight:104283e4a6] said Awut, conducting his interview in Mandarin. "And not all students can afford to go to Beijing and Taipei to study Mandarin. In Beijing the cost of living is as high as Europe, but here in Betong you can live on 3,000 baht (75 dollars) a month."

    [highlight=yellow:104283e4a6]Nearly 40 per cent of Betong´s population of 50,000 are ethnic Hokkien Chinese,[/highlight:104283e4a6] with the remainder made up of Thai Buddhists and Thai Moslems.

    Betong also boasts a small population of 2,000 Mandarin-speaking former members of the Communist Party of Malaya (CPM), who surrendered to the Thai government in 1986 and now live in three villages that have become tourist attractions.

    [highlight=yellow:104283e4a6]The town is also famed for its Chinese prostitutes, who are flown in on tourist visas and are extremely popular among the elderly Malaysian-Chinese tourists who frequent Betong´s hotels. [/highlight:104283e4a6]

    "The whole world has Chinese girls," said Awut. "This is normal."

    [highlight=yellow:104283e4a6]Dan Nok, another Thai-Malaysian border town in Songkhla province, is also doing a booming business in Chinese and local prostitution, observers said.[/highlight:104283e4a6]

    What is different about Betong, is its mayor´s academic ambitions.

    "This transition will take time, but in the future we will become a cultural and education town," Awut told Deutsche Presse-Agentur, dpa.

    Awut, who has been Betong mayor for the past 17 years, has pushed through zoning laws that will force many of the brothels and karaoke bars that currently dominate the heart of town to another district - a tunnel has been conveniently constructed to get tourists to the new entertainment zone.

    The ambitious mayor is also pushing for a new Betong airport and an improved highway between Betong and Yala, to facilitate his university plans.

    Awut´s big plans have earned him the praise of Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and many southern businessmen.

    "It´s good to have him there," said Anusart Suwanmongkol, managing director of the C.S. Pattani Hotel. "The university plan is ambitious but will need good infrastructure, like an airport. And Malaysia wants to compete with him."

    Under Thailand´s decentralization programme, implemented more than eight years ago, mayors and other elected authorities have increased power over their local budgets and development plans.

    "Mayors here have a lot of power but they don´t always use it," said Awut. "You can build a university or do whatever the people need. Why don´t the other mayors down here do the same?"

    --DPA 2005-10-17

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    Klingt alles sehr spannend was da in Betong passieren soll, aber ich glaube ihr habt Otto missverstanden. Klar ist dass die meisten Malayen nach Thailand für "Rest & Recreation" reisen, wie es so schön ausgedrückt wurde, hingegen Thais nicht nach Malaysia reisen für den dortigen muslimischen Lebensstil sondern wegen der höheren Löhne. So habe ich seinen Post auf jeden Fall verstanden.

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    Du könntest Recht haben, Simon ;-D Komisch, bei dem Otto habe ich immer andere Dinge im Kopf ;-D

    Na ja, dafür hat uns dann DisainaM umfassend aufgeklärt.


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    oder so ;-D

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    und es geht weiter,
    Malaysia macht die Grenze jetzt auch für Thais nur noch begrenzt auf,
    die freie Asean vision (nach Schengenvorbild) rückt wieder in weite Ferne

    Strict regulation on entry of Thais from Jan 1

    KUALA LUMPUR: -- The government will strictly regulate the entry of Thai citizens at Malaysian border checkpoints beginning Jan 1.

    "They will have to show their travel documents and ensure that their vehicles comply with local regulations and laws," said Deputy Internal Security Minister Datuk Mohamed Johari Baharum in Parliament lobby today.

    The move follows the Dec 2 incident at the Bukit Kayu Hitam Immigration Complex where a Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs enforcement officer was assaulted by a group of men believed to be diesel smugglers.

    Johari said a Dec 20 meeting involving the Prime Minister's Department's National Security Division, Defence Ministry, Customs and Immigration Department, Road Transport Department and Malaysian Fisheries Development Board identified several shortcomings.

    "The shortcomings will be rectified. This includes only allowing public and private vehicles with the necessary valid documentations from across the border to enter Malaysia.

    "Previously, vehicles from Thailand are allowed unrestricted movement of up to 2km inside the Malaysian side. This was to ease the transport of goods at both sides of the border," he said, adding that some had breached this restriction.

    From Jan 1, Johari said, drivers of vehicles seeking to move beyond the 2km radius will have to get the International Circulation Permit that ensures such vehicles adhered to local road rules and regulations.

    "Both the use of motorcycles to ferry pedestrians across the border and undocumented travels across the borders will be banned," he added. 2006-12-21

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    mal ein kleines Update

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    Dictating terms to the insurgents and demanding a 'ceasefire' are not aiding peace efforts

    General Aksara Kerdphol, Thailand’s chief negotiator in the deep South peace efforts, is heading to Malaysia to follow up on the recent visit made by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha.

    The chairman of the Thai Army's advisory board is expected to get into the nuts and bolts of a peace process that the central government in Bangkok seems somewhat reluctant to put into action.

    Its predecessor, under Yingluck Shinawatra, prematurely launched peace talks knowing that key players such as the Thai Army and the separatist Barisan Revolusi Nasional (BRN) inner circle, plus the militants under its network, were not on board.

    What the Yingluck initiative did was set the stage for a political circus. It placed the Thai side on the receiving end of a "spitting contest" that centred on a five-point demand from the BRN that was meant to test the water and see how the Thai side would react.

    In the end, the Yingluck team was author of its own downfall - a superficial peace process prematurely launched without first resolving serious issues and obstacles. These included immunity for the BRN negotiators and formal recognition of the group's political wing, so that the separatists could surface publicly and engage Bangkok and the world community on their own terms.

    Prayut is determined not to make the same "mistakes". In his mind, Thailand has to be the one dictating the terms to the BRN and other separatist organisations, not the other way around. In other words, Thailand can't afford to look weak.

    Moreover, the Army never liked the idea of a formal peace process anyway. They preferred discreet meetings that involved a small number of people.

    "Even the idea of providing a legislative backing for an agency to ensure continuity for further peace talks regardless of a change in government is not in the minds of the current crop of rulers," said a government source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    During his recent trip to Malaysia, Prayut's message to the separatist groups was that if they wanted to talk peace with the Thais, they would have to do it from a common platform. And there would have to be a "period of peace" before talks could begin. Both demands are virtually impossible to meet at this point in time, given the fact that the group that controls the vast majority of insurgent combatants - the BRN - is not prepared to come to the table.

    As for unity among the separatists, there was some progress late last year when the three Patani United Liberation Organisation factions agreed to take part in the Yingluck administration's peace initiative. But then came the Bangkok Shutdown, which put the Yingluck government into survival mode for the next six months until the coup.

    BRN sources said its negotiators/political wing need capacity building and a better understanding of international norms and practices before they could surface to meet the Thais and the international community.

    Until then, the best Thailand and the world are going to get is a "cut-out" guy like Hasan Taib, who will continue to act as a go-between for the secretive BRN inner circle and the outside world.

    Observers say the Thai side is not eager to talk or make any sort of concessions, and the BRN is not prepared to come to the table until its people are prepared. The end result, it seems, is the continuation of violence, and military means to quell the conflict. And while Bangkok has announced a large budget for development in the deep South, money never seems to solve anything in this historically contested region, much less close the trust gap between the Malays of Patani and the Thai state.

    The Thai military is banking that violence will continue to drop as they take the fight to the insurgents by stepping up their long-range reconnaissance patrols. That's one of the reasons why the central government is playing up the so-called Tung Yang Daeng model - a shabby effort to outsource security work to villagers, while government soldiers go out and hunt down the militants cell by cell.

    The Thai side is also hoping to set up a back-channel dialogue with individual separatist organisations in a bid to get a better assessment of which combatant groups are capable of what.

    They would prefer the meetings to be small and secret - just as they were in the 1980s - and small-scale horse trading can be expected. The BRN say they haven't ruled out back-channel talks, while other long-standing separatist groups say they would like to use this forum to show the Thais what they are capable of.

    Publicly, the central government is taking credit for the drop in violence in the region. But BRN sources, as well as observers of the conflict, say the drop in the number of incidents comes against an increase in their intensity. It also needs to be emphasised that the nature of this conflict is not conventional warfare. And as long as the insurgents can prove they are "relevant" with sporadic attacks, the southern insurgency will be far from over for Thailand.

    Over the past year alone, insurgents have shown an ability to expand their operations to new territories - areas such as Yala's Betong or Songkhla's Sadao district, which had been left untouched for a decade.

    Then there was the massive double bomb hidden in the back of a pickup truck stolen from Pattani that was parked behind the police station Phuket in December last year. Thai security officials said the bombs, each with a blast radius of 500 metres, were expertly assembled and the switch left off on purpose. Separatist sources said the twin-bomb was a stern warning to the Thai side of what the insurgents were capable of. The next one, they added, might not be a warning.

    Don Pathan is a member of the Patani Forum (, and a freelance development and security analyst based in Yala, Thailand.
    No progress in deep South unless Thailand drops strongman act - The Nation

    die Vision, die Truppenstärke in Süd Thailand von 60.000 auf 15.000 zu reduzieren,
    macht im Grunde nur Sinn,
    wenn das Sicherheitsproblem eingegrenzt ist,
    doch kann man Terrorismus in Städten noch anderswo, kaum dulden.

    Die Idee, den Nachschub über Malaysia auszutrocknen, wird aber das Problem nicht lösen,
    weil die Küstenwache ein weitaus dichteres Überwachungsnetz ziehen müsste,
    und die Grenzkontrollen auf ein high tec Niveau gebracht werden müssten.

    Among Asean members, Malaysia has been reluctant to engage the Prayut government, judging from the brief encounter on the sidelines of the Asia-Europe Summit in October in Milan. Thailand is hoping after Prayut's visit and strong commitment to the peace process that Malaysia will become more active in working with his government. Three rounds of bilateral talks at various levels - the 6th Annual Consultation, 13th Joint Commission for Bilateral Developments and 4th Joint Development Strategy - are scheduled for the first half of next year.

    Thailand also wishes to hold a high-level meeting to discuss security matters exclusively. As part of the long-term development process and to restore normalcy, there will be a phased reduction of soldiers stationed in the three provinces from the current level of over 60,000, to 15,000 troops. Towards the end of the discussion, the Thai side appealed to the Malaysian leader that when the peace process resumed next time, the facilitator should loop in "all" insurgent groups. Some of them have been sidelined in the peace process. To encourage an inclusive dialogue, the Thai security echelon must also change its mind-set and ensure safety for those taking part in the peace process.

    We shouldn't forget that Thai-Malaysia relations are multifaceted. While the southern insurgency remains a very high priority, both sides must not lose sight of strengthening the development and economic agenda. With the latest announcement of a special economic zone in Songkhla, it is clear that Thailand wants to improve the standards for people also living in Yala, Satun, Pattani, Narathiwat and link them with their friends and relatives in Perlis, Kedah, Kelantan and Pengkalan Hulu.

    The enhancement of human security and well-being in these provinces and their closely knit communities on both sides, is the only way to effectively end violence and conflict in southern Thailand.

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    dopp 123456789

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    wenn ueber malayen geredet wird, die sich in thahialand vergnuegen dann sind es sicherlich viele inder oder???

  11. #20
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    eher chinesische Malayen, die mit den chinesischen Thais auf der Thaiseite enge Kontakte führen.

    Viele Hafenstädte waren seit je her chinesische Handelsknotenpunkte in Indonesien, malaysia und Thailand.

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