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Augsburger Insolvenzverwalter pfändet dem Kronprinzen die Boeing

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  1. #701
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    Nach Afrika verkaufen, die nehmen alles; aber dann wartet der KP so lange auf sein Geld wie Walter Bau auf seins...

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    Zitat Zitat von clavigo Beitrag anzeigen
    Nach Afrika verkaufen, die nehmen alles; aber dann wartet der KP so lange auf sein Geld wie Walter Bau auf seins...
    Da dann doch lieber Vogelschredder. Und der Rest der Maschine wird halt einfach zu einem stilechten "Royal Thai Restaurant" gemacht, mit einem "Prince-Pub" im hinteren Teil des Fliegers. Käme sicherlich gut...

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    Panitan ist Überzeugungstäter. Der glaubt wirklich an das, was er verbreitet. Und er verbreiteit hier wieder einmal schlicht die Unwahrheit:

    "The acting government spokeman said the Thai government expected good cooperation from the German government in the matter of the application to extradite fugitve former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, as it was reported that Germany had granted entry to Thaksin. Mr Panitan said Thaksin had to face justice in Thailand.
    Thaksin has evaded a two-year jail term that the Thai Supreme Court handed down in 2008 for his abuse of authority in facilitating his then-wife's purchase of state-owned land in inner Bangkok in 2003, when Thaksin was prime minister, at a discounted price."

    Er hat schon längst für sich verdrängt, dass es sich um ein Urteil auf der Basis eines neuen Gesetzes zum Thema: Interessenkonflikte handelte und eben nicht (mehr) um ein Urteil zu Korruption.
    Allein die schlichte Tatsache, dass von den insgesamt 3 Geboten, die Gebote der Konkurrenz zu Pojaman niedriger lagen, müßte ihn eigentlich immer erinnern, dass hier keine Ermittlungen zu Korruption stattgefunden hatten, sondern eine Verurteilung wg. Interessenkonflikts. Gut, das der bald auch weg vom Fenster ist.


    Aber seine Aussage was D tun müsse in Sachen Thaksin, zeigt sehr schön, was für ein Hysteriker dieser Mann ist und war. Der glaubt jetzt wirklich, dass der Thaksin wieder in D wäre.

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    Zitat Zitat von Huanah Beitrag anzeigen
    Schade jetzt kann ich die (regierungskritischen) Comments nicht mehr finden - nur noch den Artikel.
    Echt merkwuerdig - die sind weg.

    Was soll's habe sie wieder-ergoogeld ...




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    Discussion 1: 27/07/2011 at 12:00 AM... beggars belief reading the ongoing situation. This situation arose 20 years ago. I seem to remember those farang hating democrats were in charge of the government. Well anyway let's wait and see. Like someone mentioned the shoe is on the other foot when it's not in your favor. Time to grow up and pay your bills. The picture keeps getting bigger, such foolish ideology fueled by some stubborn rule of; 'possession is 9/10 of the law. If ever farang driven company did not pay their tax due to the Thai government then what would they do. Send in the police and lock someone up ? from iPhone application.

    Discussion 2: 26/07/2011 at 10:27 PMYeah unlike Thailand the Governments cant control the courts !!!!! from iPhone application.

    Discussion 3: 26/07/2011 at 10:04 PMThe facts are straight and simple. The aircraft was impounded after an international arbitration panel ruled in summer 2009 that the Thai state should pay compensation to the company Walter Bau AG. The judgement is final. In line with the Investment Protection Treaty between Germany and Thailand, the Thai Government has to fulfil its obligation under the judgement. Khun Panitan please stop to damage Thailand's reputation even further; just stop talking and do the only reasonable thing: pay your debts!

    Discussion 4: 26/07/2011 at 09:47 PMThe Thai authorities really need to act, behave and speak appropriately because many recent incidents have make Thailand a source of laughter.

    Discussion 5: 26/07/2011 at 09:45 PMCouldnt agree more with D12, I don't see how the 4th largest economy concern to the slightest with trade deal break down with Thailand. The fact is there are plenty alternatives to replace what Thailand can offer to the German or EU.

    Discussion 6: 26/07/2011 at 09:31 PMThis is certainly the best story to come out of Thailand today, warning the German government! How arrogant this outgoing democratic party is! and defeated by a landslide to boot! They cannot get anything right! It seems to me that they want to leave as many problems as they can for PTT to pick up! maybe their strategy! I agree with the majority of posters especialy #9 saparod, however #10 pe turd, I'm sorry but your grammer is lacking and your post makes no sense whatsoever! what has this got to do with TS?

    Discussion 7: 26/07/2011 at 09:23 PMSo now the acting Thai government spokesman is lecturing Germany about “separation of the executive and the judiciary”. What a joke! He should keep his lecture for Thai politician – they need it more than any European government. And about Thaksin and Germany, which is completely independent from above: Thaksin got a German visa through a shady deal with an ex BND (the German spy agency) employee. After this was noticed in higher places that visa was revoked. Now this acting Thai government is complaining that Thaksin got the visa in the first place and I am sure the next government will complain that Germany revoked that visa again. If Thai politicians play their silly games within Thailand that is bad enough, but Thais and even Farangs who live here long enough understand how self righteous they are. But please at least pretend that you understand and respect international laws. Now only some people laugh about the Thai government and justice but if you continue like this then more and more people will laugh about you. Is this really what you want?

    Discussion 8: 26/07/2011 at 09:20 PMIt is so immature. There should be a rational argument rather than blackmailing the German company. No wonder, Democrat loose the election

    Discussion 9: 26/07/2011 at 09:16 PMI agree with just about everyone else so far. The Thai government has become pathetic and childish. And then sending the immature and wooden cutout character Panatin is like sending a lamb to the slaughter. I have seen this young man at various press conferences and he is like a puppet on a ventriloquist's knee. You cannot get the German foreign ministry to interfere with the judicial process. Thailand must learn how democracy works and that most democratic countries do not follow the same rule-bending as Thailand does. The more noise Thailand makes, the more of a nuisance it becomes in trying to force its will on Germany, the more Germany will be unable to be flexible at all because its leaders are under the eyes of its citizens. EU governments are far more accountable to their citizens than Thailand is.

    Discussion 10: 26/07/2011 at 09:15 PMNow I know thailand's untouchable elites, particularly those in AV's government, usually instructs the thai courts on how to make the verdict.

    Discussion 11: 26/07/2011 at 09:14 PMThe Germans seem to be unaware that Thailand does not recognize decisions from international tribunals if they don't go their way...

    Discussion 12: 26/07/2011 at 09:13 PMcome on Mr Abhisit, thailand do have a lot money. I know you still can effort to pay your bill, so far I heard that the military demanded to get 30 brand new helicopters to replace the old one. since after the black hawk down three in the row. I just hope it is not pros and cons. helicopters being down it may be a conspiracy. I just doubted it that's all. go on and pay the bill Abhisit, don't make it look like a laughing stock for the world. and keep the good bilateral relation going.

    Discussion 13: 26/07/2011 at 09:05 PMJust like Prah Viharn, this is yet another siuation created during the dictatorship of the fugitive. Anyway, now he can clean up the mess he created from the government house in Dubai.

    Discussion 14: 26/07/2011 at 09:03 PMThey are so amusing, this government. Not a day without something so stupid comes out, that it better belong in some absurd sit-com. Doesn't anybody in government have even a basic understanding of how a democracy works? Just pay the bill already!Discussion

    15: 26/07/2011 at 08:23 PMROFL - Abhisit, your government is nothing but the laughing stock of the world. Good ridance. What does this have to do with Thaksin anyway? Pay the bill as you should have 20 years ago, with interest. Somehow Thailand has this moral superiority that does nothing but make it look ridiculous and childish. "Get the facts straight" ... how many times we have heard this from this government? I know, we are all misinformed and stupid, or so they must think.

    Discussion 16: 26/07/2011 at 08:04 PMWarning? Germany? Aha! To get the facts right? You mean the fact that Thailand didn#t pay, for work done? And that Thailand was convicted to pay...half a lifetime ago? Oh, wait! That is the same as Cambodia, right?! They don't rule in your favor...that more or less means, you dont have to follow the ruling?! Yeah...here are some people who should get some facts right!

    Discussion 17: 26/07/2011 at 07:38 PMFirst Thailand's foreign minister tells Germany's foreign minister to interfere in the German court's process, and now Thailand is advising Germany on its own separation of executive and judiciary?

    Discussion 18: 26/07/2011 at 07:25 PMSo we are now threatening Germany for a Thai mistake, be careful, the EU comes with German, best not to alienate Europe or your GDP will nose dive!!

    Discussion 19: 26/07/2011 at 07:16 PMThailand warns Germany that there could be negative bilateral trade results over the airplane dispute. Thailand warns Germany?! Riddle me this. If there were a cessation of trade between the two countries, who would be the loser? Machinery, electronics, engineering, tourists and etc., etc. would easily go elsewhere; huge loss to Thailand. And the halting of what Thai imports would bother Germany? Thailand certainly has no shortage of national ego.

    Discussion 20: 26/07/2011 at 07:13 PM#5, right for your first post. So pathetic this people sleeping with Thaksin under their bed. Paranoia or delirium tremens, to eat the official propaganda everyday wash your brain and make you sick. Do you know why we have so much rain in Thailand and who send it?

    Discussion 21: 26/07/2011 at 07:10 PMThis is a true clash of two cultures... One culture which is known for excellent transparency, for politicians which don't dare to interfere with the court system, where the law is strong, property interpreted and enforced. The other culture is Thailand's political system, where everything is possible. Mr Panitan, you said "many legal aspects of the case had yet to be considered" ... after 20 years? same as in the famous golf course saga? or only after one plane has been confiscated! Please don;t do our country even more harm with this childish behavior!

    Discussion 22: 26/07/2011 at 07:08 PMI don't know who is right and who is wrong. But when the International Court found in favour of Walter Bau AG, the Thai government departments concerned did not respond, They did not appeal. They did nothing. They hoped it would go away. It is only now, after the plane has been impounded, that the concerned Thai authorities are preparing to appeal the International Court Verdict. It is about time Thai government agencies who deal internationally, go through cultural training on how to deal and do business with Western countries.

    Discussion 23: 26/07/2011 at 06:27 PMIts like going to Papong Soi and have a good afew hours with the ladies, then after the damage is done refused to pay. The arguement is prostituition is illegal in thailand, the girls are not of right quality as specified by the customer, so no payment. Blame it on technical facts provided by the authorities. Incredible this abhisit government has become, it cant even tell it if its own shadow. No its Thaksin shadow. What a silly joke.

    Discussion 24: 26/07/2011 at 06:13 PMI agree with D1, d2, d3, d4, and d5...it looks more and more like the thai government will never admit to being wrong...EVER...They think the court are like Thai courts where the elite order the decision they want...and if it is not given the judge is removed.

    Discussion 25: 26/07/2011 at 05:49 PMWhy does thaksin has to be mentioned in all the articles? Can't they live without him? It's really pathetic, really.Discussion 26: 26/07/2011 at 05:38 PMWhat a laugh the new gov will cancell the expedition warrent, and If he returns on his on noone will act upon the warrent,If they do bail will be restored. botton the bill will not be paid

    Discussion 27: 26/07/2011 at 05:36 PMUnsurprisingly, Thai government seems to ignore the basic principle that rules democracies : separation of powers. German judiciary is independent from the executive power and therefore German Foreign Ministry has no power on justice decisions. Thai government should pay its bills and stop deteriorate further the image of our country whining childishly.

    Discussion 28: 26/07/2011 at 05:33 PMPresent case is being handled by the German court, and the court itself is an independent judiciary body that does not allow outside influence to interrupt its decision, even from the Germany government. What's the purpose of warning the Germany Foreign Ministry?

    Discussion 29: 26/07/2011 at 05:25 PMThailand is looking increasingly ridiculous by the day. It's been 20 years, and the courts say pay the bill! Germany and Cambodia should get together and laugh off their common sickening experience with the Government of Abhisit.


  6. #705
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    Zitat Zitat von Waitong Beitrag anzeigen
    Echt merkwuerdig - die sind weg. ...
    Naja, ich find es eher weniger merkwuerdig.
    Danke fuer die Muehe.



    Hab heute morgen auf CH3 etwas zum Thema gesehen, aber kaum etwas verstanden.
    Gefuehlsmaessig schien die Empoerung ueber die Aktion groesser als hier bei den Leuten zu sein.

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    Es wird von der NOCH-Regierung aufgestachelt, etwas duemmeres koennte man kaum machen.

    Mal schaun wie die NEUE-Regierung mit der Angelegenheit umgeht .

  8. #707
    Bukeo
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    Zitat Zitat von schimi Beitrag anzeigen
    Weshalb ist die zweite Maschine eigentlich noch nicht gepfändet, zur Tilgung der Schulden reicht eine doch nicht?
    Schneider scheint sich trotz allem wohl nicht mehr sicher zu sein.
    Schneider hat mit Sicherheit eine Anweisung von ganz oben erhalten, nichts mehr ohne Rückfrage zu pfänden. Wegen läppischer 30 Mill. riskiert kein Staat eine
    Verschlechterung der Beziehungen.

    Kann aber auch sein, das Schneider mit einer Thai verheiratet ist und er nun nicht mehr nach Thailand fliegen kann. :-)

    Zitat Zitat von Waitong Beitrag anzeigen
    Es wird von der NOCH-Regierung aufgestachelt, etwas duemmeres koennte man kaum machen.
    Mal schaun wie die NEUE-Regierung mit der Angelegenheit umgeht .
    die neue Regierung hat eigentlich nicht allzuviel Möglichkeiten, ausser die 30 Millionen zu zahlen, oder das Gerichtsurteil abwarten um das dann zu akzeptieren.

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    Zitat Zitat von Waitong Beitrag anzeigen
    Es wird von der NOCH-Regierung aufgestachelt, ...
    Gestern im GELB-TV: das bedeutungsvolles Schwenken eines mit dem Bundesadler bedruckten Papieres, einem Gesichtsausdruck, der absolutes Wissen vermuten laesst und im Brustton der absoluten Unschuld vorgetragene Anklage gegen Deutschland.

    Nur glauben denen - hoffentlich - immer weniger.
    Nebenbei: rot geschmueckte Fahrzeuge hatte ich zuletzt im Fruehjahr 2010 gesehen.

    Hier im Dorf scheint sich die Stimmung gedreht zu haben.
    Waren es frueher um die 50/50 - Anteile, scheint Yingluck hier die absolute Zuneigung gewonnen zu haben.
    Keine Abhisit - Bilder mehr, aber auch keine Thaksin - Bilder.
    Und: das ist Uthai Thani/Nakhon Sawan-Gebiet, nicht Isaan!

    Hoffen wir also, dass die neue Regierung bald handlungsfaehig wird (laut Auskunft hier in ein paar Tagen?) und die Dinge fuer immer vom Tisch bringt.
    Sowohl im Thema "Schulden" als auch im "Kambodscha"-Case.
    Und damit auch die Inkompetenz der vorherigen in diesen Themen belegt.

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    Zitat Zitat von schimi Beitrag anzeigen
    Weshalb ist die zweite Maschine eigentlich noch nicht gepfändet, zur Tilgung der Schulden reicht eine doch nicht?
    Schneider scheint sich trotz allem wohl nicht mehr sicher zu sein.
    Mach aus rein kaufmänniischen Gesichtpunkten eigentlich Sinn. Wie JT29 schon schrieb ist genug Staub aufgewirbelt worden um Bewegung in die Sache zu bringen.

    Zweck der Sache ist ja die Zahlung der Schulden zu erzwingen und nicht schwer verkäufliche Flugzeuge zu sammeln. Die Pfändung der zweiten Maschine wäre mit zusätzlichen, erheblichen Kosten verbunden ohne einen besonderen Vorteil daraus ziehen zu können. Die Sache ist jetzt in Bewegung, Thailand setzt weiterhin auf Verschleppung und eigenen erheblichen Gesichtverlust. Sie wollen ja jetzt schon die erforderliche Sicherheitsleistung von 20 Mio. nicht bezahlen.

    Selbst wenn ich persönlich bei jemanden etwas zu pfänden hätte, bei dem schwer was zu holen ist, würde ich immer erst mal den Gerichtsvollzieher mit Teilbeträgen losschicken. Senkt deutlich die Kosten bei Nichterfolg (im Vorliegendem Fall muss z. B. der IV zunächst mal mit den enstehenden Kosten in Vorlage treten) und macht den Schuldner mürbe. Russisch Inkasso wäre natürlich auch noch eine Möglichkeit.

  11. #710
    Bukeo
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    Zitat Zitat von phi mee Beitrag anzeigen
    Die Sache ist jetzt in Bewegung, Thailand setzt weiterhin auf Verschleppung und eigenen erheblichen Gesichtverlust. Sie wollen ja jetzt schon die erforderliche Sicherheitsleistung von 20 Mio. nicht bezahlen.
    ist gar nicht sicher, ob sie überhaupt bezahlen könnten. Soweit ich weiss, gibt es für die scheidende Regierung keine Möglichkeiten mehr, Geld auszugeben.
    Sollte ja dann kein Problem sein, Yingluck kann dann sofort nach Antritt, die erforderliche Summe überweisen, die auch ihr Bruder leider in den 6 Jahren nicht bezahlt hat.

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