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Alle hassen Woody

Erstellt von DisainaM, 30.09.2011, 05:58 Uhr · 53 Antworten · 7.588 Aufrufe

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    Alle hassen Woody

    schon im Juli ein absoluter youtube hit



    hochgeladen am 05.06.2011

    in nur einem Monat über 2 Mio Zuseher, die meisten aus Thailand,
    da thailändische Suchbegriffe in Thaischrift sind.

    Kennt jemand die Story hinter diesem Video ?

    über 3.000 Kommentare, da kann man wieder in die Thai Volksseele via comments sehen.

    Diese Volksfest Auftritte sind in Thailand ja sehr beliebt,

    die Frauen auf der Bühne machen ihre 2deutigen Bewegungen,
    und die Kinder vor der Bühne imitieren sie neugirieg.




    ja, was ist die Story ?


    Die Sängerin heisst Ja Turbo, Ihre Show besteht hauptsächlich in der dargestellten Handlung.



    Wer in Thailand Ja Turbo noch nicht kannte, lernte sie durch eine der grossen TV Shows kennen.

    Die bekannte Show von Woody Milintachinda
    Woody Milintachinda | Asian Correspondent

    die dafür bekannt ist, soziale Themen anzusprechen, lud sie in die Show ein, und stellte ihr die Kernfrage,

    ob sie sich nicht schämt, so ihren Lebensunterhalt zu verdienen.

    Ja Turbo antwortete ehrlich, und sagte, dass dies im Rahmen ihrer Möglichkeiten liege.

    Als der Kommentator weiter Fragen stellte, die doch sehr von der westlichen Moralvorstellung geprägt war,
    drückte er bei Millionen von Thai Zuschauern den Knopf im Kopf,

    alle solidarisierten sich mit Ja Turbo, und hassten fortan Woody.

    Nun ist das Thema auf den Titelschlagzeilen des ganzen Landes.

    The Nation schreibt heute dazu

    Controversial "Itchy Ears"
    The latest craze sweeping Thailand is the band Ja Turbo and their song "Itchy Ears". The title and the actions may seem a little at odds with each other unless you know that the vulgar Thai word for a females .......s is ...

    TV talk show host Woody Milintachinda was not the one who threw the first stone at Ja Turbo, but his was probably the biggest and it bounced back the hardest.

    Describe the online community any way you want - powerful, ....le or suspicious - but, overnight, it has all but redeemed the most controversial Thai female teen singer of the hour and put a well-loved celebrity on a pillory of hatred and anger. Ja Turbo, whose real name is Nongpanee Mahadtai, had put on a show that made Michael Jackson's crotch-grabbing move look like a teasing act in a parents' day performance. The YouTube clip of her show has attracted 15 million views and counting. Naturally, she came under fire from left, right and centre. Until Woody came along, that is.

    He invited "Nong Ja" to his show and asked some hard-hitting questions, some of which, critics say, were his own thinly-veiled commentaries. Woody was joined by two like-minded commentators who helped create an impression of holier-than-thou adults character assassinating a helpless teen who had been forced to be naughty and bitchy to stay competitive in a fierce nighttime entertainment business.

    The rest, as they say, is history. The online world re-evaluated and then embraced her while turning against him. If the compassion showered upon Ja was amazing, the extreme hostility towards Woody was shocking. He has been cursed, scolded, scorned and virtually torn to pieces on YouTube. Tens of thousands of stinging feedbacks prompted the TV host to clarify his stand, which probably has made things worse.

    In defending himself, Woody suggested that people should not judge him based on that one broadcast interview, where many things had to be taken into account. "If you ask me what I think of her personally, I like her a lot. But you have to understand that, on TV, you've got to keep your style in asking interview questions," he said.

    That was what Ja tried to say during the interview, albeit in a stammering, emotionally-stricken manner. After Woody said, "What got to me was the question why our country has this kind of woman", she replied, her voice shaken, "It was just a show. It's a job. An honest job. If I had been able to choose, I would not have chosen this kind of life. I'm not that good looking and I don't sing that well. In this business, I needed to find a selling point."

    Misguided about a "selling point", maybe, but what the audience saw was a naive girl being totally truthful about what she did and why she did it. My younger brother played in a pub band and I know exactly what she was talking about. When bands auditioned for contracts, the first thing prospective employers demanded was that female singers and dancers be scantily dressed. The dirtier the dance, the better the chance of getting the job. Like it or not, that's the way things are.

    "It doesn't matter if you play like the Scorpions or are terrible as hell," my brother told me. "The first thing a pub-owner is interested in is near nudity in your show. Every band now has to employ 5exy singers who are not afraid to appear all but naked. The way Nong Ja is dressed in that video is a modest version of what's been going on in various pubs around the country."

    Putting Nong Ja's clip on YouTube does not expose her. It exposes what countless struggling young artists have to go through to stay afloat in the cutthroat entertainment business. The girls have to seduce to survive. Some of them are having fun in the process. Nong Ja was giggling while performing was what described during the Woody talk show as "the lowest form of art".

    Perhaps it's too early to call the growing support for her in the online community a solid sign that Thai society is becoming far more liberal. Maybe Woody inadvertently helped turn it around for Nong Ja. She did not insist that it was the right thing to do. All she did was innocently ask for sympathy, and that might have been a straight shot to the heart. Public fire was redirected and it was Woody who had to bear the brunt of it.

    In his self-defence, Woody said viewers might not even have thoroughly watched the talk show before passing judgement. In her self-defence, Ja said that her controversial dance "did not reflect who I am". In a world where judgement is passed increasingly quickly and easily, both of them are most likely right. Each, however, has a different lesson to learn.
    Dirty Dancing Leaves Everyone In A Spin - Thailand Forum

    Auch wenn Bkk oft versucht, den moralischen Führungsstab zu bedienen,
    das Land selber hat seine eigene Entwicklungszeit, und seine eigenen Vorlieben.
    Wer hier aufs Gaspedal drückt, erreicht das Gegenteil,
    und deklassifiziert moralische Anforderungen zu einer gehassten Einmischung von ausländischen Werten.

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    Sehr interessant.

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    Wenn man so auf der Bühne auftritt, dann gibt es einen Aufschrei - wenn man sich in TH im Stillen alleine und zu Hause 'nen ..... anschaut, ist es ungesetzlich.

    Aber wenn man abends in bkk die Stangentänzerinnen mit Beischlafmöglichkeit besucht, während Frau und Kinder friedlich zu Hause schlafen, dann isses oke, ja ?
    Und wenn man in der Provinz Chonburi eine ganze Stadt um A Go-Go's und Beer Bars herumbaut, dann nennt man das Konjunkturprogramm ?

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    das TV Interview


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    Zitat Zitat von antibes Beitrag anzeigen
    Sehr interessant.
    Hab zuerst, beim lesen des Titels einen Schreck gekriegt. Ich dachte es geht um unseren woody. Der ist zwar im Moment gesperrt, scheint aber ein liebenswürdiger Kerl zu sein.
    Da bin ich jetzt beruhigt.

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    Zitat Zitat von Yogi Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich dachte es geht um unseren woody. Der ist zwar im Moment gesperrt, scheint aber ein liebenswürdiger Kerl zu sein.
    deine Menschenkenntnisse lassen aber schwer zu wünschen übrig

    resci

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    nee, Rayong-Woody ist nicht gemeint,

    dieser Thai-Woody spielte in seiner Show einen Thai High-So Vertreter

    A music video with suggestive lyrics, the singer’s even more suggestive stage performance, and her moral scolding on national TV is the latest episode of yet another Thai 5exual hypocrisy. Yet again, the outcry comes from those who claim to protect anything ‘Thai’ and lash out against everything that is allegedly not, while willfully ignoring the naked truth(s).

    So, what happened? In June, a Thai band called Turbo Music uploaded a video of a performance of their song “Itchy Ear” (คันหู), which is about…
    The song itself is a tale of a young lady with an itchy ear (khan huu, คันหู) that won’t go away. Packed with double-entendre (and invitations for vowel substitution), the song relates her quest for relief: she has tried a cotton-bud, but to no avail (เอาสำลี มาปั่น ก็ไม่หาย). Perhaps the itch was caused by some water getting in when she was showering washing her hair (อาบน้ำ สระหัว น้ำคงเข้า). She asks her mother for something to fix it (แม่จ๋า หายา ให้หนูหน่อย). The singer explains that when she was a child it didn’t ever itch (ตอนเด็กๆ ไม่เคยคันซักที) but it started just two or three years after she became a young woman (พอเริ่มเป็นสาว ได้แค่สองสามปี หูก็เริ่มมี อาการ คันคัน). If anyone can give her a cure, she will give them anything. She will drink it or inject it (once or twice if necessary) so long as it is good medicine (จะกินฉีด ขอให้เป็นยาดี จะลองให้ฉีด ยาสักทีสองที ถ้ายาเค้าดี หูคงหายคัน).

    คันหู : Nong Ja ahead of Democrats!“, by Andrew Walker, New Mandala, September 14, 2011
    But watching the performance of the 20-year-old singer Nong Ja aka Ja Turbo, it is pretty clear, even to those who didn’t get the innuendos the first time around, that ‘itchy ear’ means something completely different:
    Maybe that’s why the viewing figures skyrocketed within a few weeks, reaching over 15 million clicks at the time of publication. Much of the popularity could also be attributed to the almost unsurprising outrage over the raunchy pop song. The most striking example of high-profile indignation was the singer’s appearance on “Woody – Born to Talk” (วู้ดดี้ – เกิดมาคุย) with Woody Militachinda on September 4. In a recent column, Pavin Chachavalpongpun describes the interview as this:
    The interview was intensely discomforting. Woody acted as a typical stuck up Thai hi-so who proclaimed himself to be the defender of Thai morality. The way Woody communicated with Ja Turbo, the way he posed his questions and how he responded to her answers, all contained highly unpleasant value judgements on the part of the host. The show succeeded in unveiling a dark reality in Thai society: there remains an impenetrable barricade when it comes to “class”. This barricade is responsible for the current crisis facing the country today.

    Woody exercised his “class superiority” and his supposed better upbringing in an attempt to disgrace Ja Turbo, who was a guest on his show. He asked insulting questions and made offensive remarks about her. These are some of Woody’s statements: “How can a song like this exist in this society?” “Is there really this type of girl, like you, in our society?” “Didn’t you feel ashamed when you lifted your legs in the air?” “Is your act some kind of low-class art?” “Are there parents out there who would tolerate daughters like yourself?” “Have you ever thought for a moment that you are committing something so immoral?” “Do you consider yourself a decent entertainer?”

    Woody’s questions may have been harsh. But his attitude towards Ja Turbo was even more callous. It seemed that he didn’t even want to breathe the same air as her let alone sit in the same room with her. He grilled her in front of Thai viewers, believing that his supercilious attitude would earn him an even higher place in a society where morality and ethics are seemingly the exclusive assets of the phu dee, or those of a “higher class”.

    Hi-so hypocrites as shameless as immoral low-so entertainers“, by Pavin Chachavalpongpun, The Nation, September 28, 2011
    Woody wasn’t really being host rather than being a smug interrogator, lecturing her about what he thinks is morality and ‘Thainess’ – yet another self-proclaimed cultural herald! While the music act itself is debatable, the constant attack and poorly hidden antipathy by him is not only cheap entertainment at the cost of another person, but also a deeply delusional understanding of what is appropriate and who actually decides on this.

    Most of all, this is a business. It’s not the first time the music industry or entertainment in general have pushed the envelope on what is dictated by others to be ‘decent’. It is not the first time that 5exuality has been used as a subject and this will not be the last time that someone will take offense from this. While the likes of Turbo Music are cashing in on the always reliable ‘5ex sells’ routine, Woody cashes in by openly bashing another person and still claiming the higher ground.

    This selective outcry on the public depiction of 5exuality is reminiscent of an incident earlier this year in April, when three women were seen dancing topless in public during Songkran (Thai New Year). Somebody shot and uploaded the video, much to the anger of the self-proclaimed cultural heralds, especially the then culture minister who openly advocated a crackdown on them for “negatively affect Thailand’s reputation” – it turns out those girls were underage. We interviewed Thai author “Kaewmala” about the causes and motives of this seemingly predictable outrage and why some Thais seem to struggle with 5exuality. Among others (I recommend you to re-read the whole interview), she saw the problem as this:
    5exuality both is and isn’t taboo in Thailand. It is taboo only when it’s inconvenient or causes embarrassment (real or perceived). Thais like to think that we are a conservative and proper society when we really aren’t – at least behind closed doors. People have a delusion that Thai kids are too innocent to be contaminated by 5ex education, another area of inability to deal with facts. There are people who actually buy into the ideal Thai Culture line (good, grand, long-lived, 5exually innocent or 5exless, religiously Buddhist). And these people will not tolerate any deviation from this ideal and would sing the chorus to the occasional outcries, whenever the media drum one up. Like most cultures, much of the Thai Culture is 5exualized (mostly involving females) and people are drawn to 5ex.

    “Only taboo when it’s inconvenient!” – Interview with Thai author Kaewmala on the outrage at topless Songkran dancers“, Siam Voices, April 19, 2011
    All in all, this whole (made-up) controversy did Nong Ja and her band more good than harm, becoming an online sensation and adding some notoriety to their newly gained popularity, while the cultural heralds are still seemingly trying to wrap their head around the times we live in today.
    Raunchy ‘Itchy Ear’ song exposes Thai 5exual hypocrisy | Asian Correspondent

    ob gewollt, oder nicht,
    er liess die Gestik der oberen Hirarchie so offen heraushängen,
    und brach dabei alle Regeln des HAI-KIAT und zeigte MAI MEE-MA RA YAT.

    Wenn es gewollt war, wollte er eine Aroganz der herrschenden Klasse kolportieren,
    und damit eine öffentliche Disskussion auslösen,
    dass auch die unteren Thais seit Rama V freie Menschen sind, und es nicht nötig haben, sich so behandeln zu lassen.
    - HEBELWIRKUNG
    Wenn es nicht gewollt war, hat er den hebel aus Dummheit ausgelösst.

    Das Mädel spielt dabei nur eine Nebenrolle,
    auf alle Fälle kann man hören
    2.30 Min


    dass sie dai_Kah sagen kann.

    (war dann im Interview auf 1.02 min. das wah nicht echt ?)

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    Zitat Zitat von resci Beitrag anzeigen
    deine Menschenkenntnisse lassen aber schwer zu wünschen übrig

    resci
    Das geht ja mal gar nicht, lieber resci. Du kannst doch nicht einfach behauten, dass meine Menschenkenntnis zu wünschen übrig lässt. Damit befinden wir uns in einem Vergleich, welche unserer M-Kenntnisse die richtige ist. Einfühlsam, erfahren, mitfühlend, strategisch denkend, Wiesbadener, das sind doch herausragende Eigenschaften. Gut bis auf Wiesbadener.
    Jetzt halte mal seine Negativeigenschaften dem gegenüber.

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    Zitat Zitat von DisainaM Beitrag anzeigen
    ob gewollt, oder nicht,
    er liess die Gestik der oberen Hirarchie so offen heraushängen,
    und brach dabei alle Regeln des HAI-KIAT und zeigte MAI MEE-MA RA YAT.
    Genug rumgeblödelt.
    Das Mädchen ist mittlerweile auch Thema in meiner Familie.
    Hab das Mädel Gestern in einer Talkshow gesehen, wo sie anfing zu heulen.
    Meine Frau hat mir so einige ihrer Statements übersetzt. Fazit, ihr ist es wumpe, wie man von ihr denkt.
    Wem das nicht gefällt, braucht ja nicht zu gucken.
    Diese unerfahrene Rotzgöre hat null Check, was sie mit ihren Auftritten anrichtet und hat sich mit diesen Äusserungen selbst disqualifiziert.
    Unsere kleine Nichte, 5 Jhre alt, eine Tanzmaus vor dem Herrn, ist jetzt schon in der Lage alle ihre Bewegungen nachzuahmen.
    Die hat ntürlich keine Ahnung, was das bedeutet, ist dafür aber immer in der Lage ihre Darbietung, auch in der Öffentlichkeit, zu präsentieren.

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    Ich versuche, hier mal etwas tiefergreifend auf das Problem, das gesellschaftliche Problem, einzugehen.
    Der (die) Thai hat seine Emotionen und Expressionen von Kindesbeinen an unterdrückt bekommen - und diese Emotionen läßt er, so er (sie) es erlaubt bekommt, später voll raus.
    Das ist hier mit unserer Band "Turbo" geschehen.

    In D würde eine solche Performance wohl eher als oberpeinlich angesehen werden, in TH gibt es solche Gedanken nicht.

    Ist dasselbe mit den Konzertbesuchern:
    In D waren wir auf einigen Live-Events - ohne Zwischenfälle. Am Ende geht jeder nach Hause und gut ist.
    Nicht so in TH: Bei Konzerten muss immer 'ne Schlägerei losbrechen, mit den bekannten Folgen.

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