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Rohingya.

Erstellt von Yogi, 06.07.2013, 22:35 Uhr · 370 Antworten · 33.712 Aufrufe

  1. #341
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    Zitat Zitat von socky7 Beitrag anzeigen
    Die ARD Tagesschau berichtete bereits am 30.Januar 2016, dass die ersten muslimischen Rohingya aus Myanmar (Burma) in Lesbos gelandet seien mit dem Wunschziel: "Deutschland". Dort werden die Asylanträge der Rohingya vom BAMF anerkannt. Diese Rohingya waren ursprünglich aus Bangladesh nach Myanmar zugewandert und siedelten bisher an den landschaftlich schönsten Strandabschnitten der Andamanensee, bevor sie nach Unruhen von den Buddhisten vertrieben wurden.

    Das wissen alle Rohingya schon sehr genau, bevor sie sich auf den Weg ins gelobte Land machen:
    Im Gegensatz zu Asylbewerbern, die zunächst Leistungen nach dem Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz (AsylbLG) erhalten, haben Flüchtlinge mit positivem Asyl-Bescheid vom Bamf - ebenso wie deutsche Staatsbürger - sämtliche Ansprüche auf Sozialleistungen von Hartz 4 bis Kindergeld. Eine Flüchtlingsfamilie aus Myanmar mit vier Kindern, die vorher vom Fischfang in der Andamanensee lebte, bekommt nach positivem Asylbescheid in Berlin im Regelfall ca. 2.638 € monatlich Hartz4= ALGII plus kostenlose Krankenversicherung.Das spricht sich in den Flüchtlingslagern der Rohingya herum. Das erscheint den Flüchtlingen, die derzeit ziemlich erbärmlich in Lagern hausen, wie ein Lotto-Hauptgewinn, der in monatlichen Raten ausgezahlt wird.

    Was sollen Rohingya, die meist keine Schule besuchten, in Deutschland arbeiten? Die dürften auch nach vielen Jahren in der Arbeitswelt nicht vermittelbar sein.

    Übrigens:
    Unter die Asylbewerber aus Myanmar mischen sich auch Wirtschaftsflüchtlinge aus Bangladesh, die sich als Rohingya ausgeben:

    "According to my information, [they are] Bangladeshi economic migrants [who] have arrived/entered Turkey via Iran by illegal way or by human traf......s," he says.
    "They try to get the benefits of a neighboring country and misuse the name of Rohingya in Turkey and in the EU countries for the purpose of asylum."
    Phones rang unanswered at the Bangladesh Embassy and the Myanmar honorary consulate in Ankara on Wednesday when an Anadolu Agency correspondent called to seek clarification.
    A Turkish official has confirmed that the group was among more than 350 people picked up at sea by the coastguard over the weekend as they attempted to travel to the Greek island of Lesbos and Europe.
    "Most of them are from Myanmar”

    https://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-cr...kers-in-turkey

    Das ist schon interessant, dass von fast allen deutschen Medien weiter die unkontrollierte und unbegrenzte Aufnahme von Flüchtlingen aus aller Welt propagiert wird. Denn das wird teuer:

    http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...rden-Euro.html

    Drei Viertel der Asylbewerber in Deutschland sind junge männliche Moslems, mit denen mehrheitlich kein Staat zu machen ist. Alle Rohingya sind Moslems.
    Die thailändische Regierung, die schlechte Erfahrungen mit den Moslems im eigenen Land macht, will die Rohingya aus dem Nachbarland Myanmar nicht aufnehmen. Die Sicherheit der eigenen Bevölkerung hat in Thailand Vorrang.

    Der Bedarf einer Familie mit 2 Kindern, inkl. Miete und Krankenversicherung ist
    1.896,00 Euro!!!
    Mal einen H4 Rechner bemühen und nicht nur im Kopf überschlagen :-)

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  3. #342
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    Zitat Zitat von Rooy Beitrag anzeigen
    Der Bedarf einer Familie mit 2 Kindern, inkl. Miete und Krankenversicherung ist
    1.896,00 Euro!!!
    Mal einen H4 Rechner bemühen und nicht nur im Kopf überschlagen :-)
    da steht aber was von VIER Kindern, nicht von ZWEI

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    ja, das Thema bleibt auf dem Schirm,

    irgendwann, muss man damit rechnen, das es ganz schnell geht,
    dann wird innerhalb von wenigen Tagen etwas verkündet
    - bring troublemaker to justice -

    -Myanmar failed to restore basic human rights für Rohingya-

    und dann wird dieses Thema zum Aufhänger genommen,

    um sich vor China vor die Nase zu setzen.


    UNITED NATIONS — Genocide is still taking place against Rohingya Muslims remaining in Myanmar and the government is increasingly demonstrating it has no interest in establishing a fully functioning democracy, U.N. investigators said Wednesday.
    Marzuki Darusman, chair of the U.N. fact-finding mission on Myanmar, said thousands of Rohingya are still fleeing to Bangladesh, and the estimated 250,000 to 400,000 who have stayed following last year’s brutal military campaign in the Buddhist-majority country “continue to suffer the most severe” restrictions and repression.
    “It is an ongoing genocide that is taking place at the moment,” he told a news conference Wednesday.
    Darusman said the requirements for genocide, except perhaps for killings, “continue to hold” for Rohingya still in Myanmar’s northern Rakhine state. These include causing serious bodily harm, inflicting conditions designed to destroy the Rohingya, and imposing measures to prevent births, he said.

    Myanmar’s U.N. ambassador, Hau Do Suan, called the fact-finding mission “flawed, biased and politically motivated” and said the government “categorically rejects” its inference of “genocidal intent.”
    Yanghee Lee, the U.N. special investigator on human rights in Myanmar, said she and many others in the international community hoped the situation under Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi “would be vastly different from the past – but it is really not that much different from the past.”
    Lee added later that she thinks Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate and former political prisoner who now leads Myanmar’s civilian government, “is in total denial” about accusations that the military in Buddhist-majority Myanmar ....., murdered and tortured Rohingya and burned their villages, sending over 700,000 fleeing to Bangladesh since August 2017.
    “The government is increasingly demonstrating that it has no interest and capacity in establishing a fully functioning democracy where all its people equally enjoy all their rights and freedoms,” Lee said. “It is not upholding justice and rule of law” that Suu Kyi “repeatedly says is the standard to which all in Myanmar are held.”
    If this were the case, she said, fair laws would be applied impartially to all people, impunity would not rein, “and the law would not be wielded as a weapon of oppression.”
    Suu Kyi’s government has rejected independent international investigations into the alleged abuses of Rohingya and has commissioned its own probe. The government has also rejected the report by the fact-finding mission, which said some top military leaders should be prosecuted for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide against the Rohingya.
    “The Myanmar government’s hardened positions are by far the greatest obstacle,” Darusman told reporters.
    “Its continued denials, its attempts to shield itself under the cover of national sovereignty and its dismissal of 444 pages of details about the facts and circumstances of recent human rights violations that point to the most serious crimes under international law” strengthens the need for international action because “accountability cannot be expected from the national processes,” he said.
    Darusman and Lee spoke ahead of a Security Council meeting that began with a vote on whether Darusman should be allowed to brief members.
    He was given a green light with the minimum nine “yes” votes from the U.S., Britain, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Ivory Coast, Kuwait, Peru and Poland. China, which is Myanmar’s neighbor and ally, Russia and Bolivia voted “no” and Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia and Kazakhstan abstained.
    Russian Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia accused supporters of the briefing of “torpedoing consensus” in the council and forcing council members “to engage in loud-speaker diplomacy.”
    He said the fact-finding mission didn’t go to Rakhine state, called its report “too biased,” and said the international community should help Myanmar and Bangladesh resolve the Rohingya refugee problem.
    Chinese Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu later echoed Nebenzia, calling the report’s conclusions “lopsided” and “not credible” and saying the international community should work on returning the refugees.
    Lee stressed that their “repatriation is not possible now.”
    “I will not encourage any repatriation,” the U.N. envoy said. “Conducive conditions means they should not go back to … the oppressive laws, the discrimination. The minimum they need is freedom of movement, access to basic health services.”
    Lee said “there’s been a lot of progress in terms of economic development and infrastructure, but in the area of ‘democratic space’ and people’s right to claim back their land … there is no progress.”
    “Right now, it’s like an apartheid situation where Rohingyas still living in Myanmar … have no freedom of movement,” Lee said. “The camps, the shelters, the model villages that are being built, it’s more of a cementing of total segregation or separation from the Rakhine ethnic community.”
    At the council meeting, Darusman said the fact-finding mission concluded that last year’s events were “a human rights catastrophe that was foreseeable and planned,” and it conservatively estimates there were “10,000 Rohingya deaths.”
    “Remaining Rohingya in Rakhine state are at grave risk,” he said, and returning Rohingya from Bangladesh would be “tantamount to condemning them to life as sub-humans and further mass killing.”
    Darusman said the Security Council should the situation in Myanmar to the International Criminal Court or another international tribunal and also impose an arms embargo on Myanmar, a ban on transactions with all military-related enterprises and sanctions against those alleged to be most responsible for atrocities against the Rohingya.
    “There can be no ‘moving on’ from this crisis without addressing its root causes – all of which continue to exist today, primarily the presence of an unaccountable military that acts with complete impunity,” he said.
    The Netherlands’ deputy U.N. ambassador, Lise Gregoire Van Haaren, said her government will push quickly for a Security Council resolution that would refer Myanmar to the ICC.
    But council action appeared highly unlikely because of its deep divisions and almost certain opposition from China and Russia, both veto-wielding council members.
    “I’m very aware that there might be pushback, but having pushback is never a reason not to try,” Van Haaren said. “So we are going to have a really ambitious aim for the negotiations” on a possible resolution “and let’s see where we get.”
    Myanmar’s Suan said the Independent Commission of Inquiry established by the government will investigate alleged human rights violations, and “we will never accept any calls for referral of Myanmar to the ICC.”
    Story: Edith M. Lederer
    UN Investigator: Genocide Still Taking Place in Myanmar

    als der Pol Pot Virus ausbrach,
    und ein Teil der kambodschanischen Bevölkerung erfasst wurde,
    sich um die genetische Reinheit der Bevölkerung zu kümmern,
    und jede Form von äusserlicher Fremdheit auf den killing fields unter die Erde zu bringen,

    da schwor de internationale Gemeinschaft,
    nie wieder solange wegzusehen, wenn ein Land von einem Nationalismus erfasst wird,
    wo es anfängt, selektiv Teile der Bevölkerung zu reduzieren,
    weil die Regel heisst, zuerst die eine Gruppierung, dann sind es die Mischlinge,
    im stillen sind es die ganze Zeit die Behinderten, denen man mehr oder minder verdeutlicht,
    dass die Gemeinschaft in dieser Zeit ihre Last nicht mehr tragen kann.
    Da wird die Teilnahme an der Behinderten Olympiade zur Farce,
    weil die Zeit der Teilhabe längst passe ist.

    Doch Europa zerfällt aussenpolitisch, weil überall die Herrschaft der Gartenzwerge beginnt,
    manche sagen, der Planet ist wieder durstig nach Blut, weil es wieder zu voll geworden ist,
    also wird die Bevölkerung durch Nationalismen polarisiert, bis sie sich gegenseitig die Köpfe einschlagen,

    - schauen wir mal.

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    BANGKOK — The main United Nations human rights agency expressed concern Friday about an upsurge in fighting between Myanmar’s army and guerrillas of the Rakhine minority’s Arakan Army, especially attacks on civilians by both sides.A spokeswoman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights said in Geneva that the agency had “credible reports of the killing of civilians, burning of houses, arbitrary arrests, abductions, indiscriminate fire in civilian areas, and damage to cultural property.”
    The spokeswoman, Ravina Shamdasani, said recent fighting in Rakhine state has led to the displacement of more than 20,000 civilians. Rakhine is best known as the site of a brutal counterinsurgency campaign by the military against the Muslim Rohingya minority which caused more than 700,000 to flee to neighboring Bangladesh.
    The Arakan Army, which is aligned with Rakhine’s Buddhist population, seeks autonomy for the region.

    Shamdasani said the civilian victims included Buddhist Rakhines and Rohingya Muslims as well as other ethnicities.
    “The impact of the violence on civilians in northern Rakhine has been exacerbated by the Government’s near-suspension of humanitarian access since January 2019,” she said.
    She said sources in the area reported an incident on Wednesday in which two military helicopters flew over south Buthidaung township and fired on civilians tending cows and rice fields, killing at least seven civilians and injuring 18 others. The area had seen 4,000 Rohingya villagers displaced in the past two weeks, she said. According to Rohingya activists, the casualties were Rohingya.
    Shamdasani said her office calls on the Myanmar military and the Arakan Army “to immediately cease hostilities and to ensure that civilians are protected. Humanitarian access to all areas of northern Rakhine must urgently be restored, including those areas affected by recent clashes.”
    “As the international community is taking steps toward accountability for the crimes committed against civilians in previous years, the Myanmar military is again carrying out attacks against its own civilians — attacks which may constitute war crimes,” she said in a statement. “The consequences of impunity will continue to be deadly.”
    UN Rights Agency Condemns Combat in Myanmar's Rakhine State

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    NAYPYITAW, Myanmar — Myanmar’s Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected the final appeal of two Reuters journalists and upheld seven-year prison sentences for their reporting on the military’s brutal crackdown on Rohingya Muslims.
    Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo earlier this month shared with their colleagues the Pulitzer Prize for international reporting, one of journalism’s highest honors. The reporters were arrested in December 2017 and sentenced last September after being accused of illegally possessing official documents, a violation of a colonial-era law.
    The court did not given a reason for its decision. Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo, who are being held in a prison in Yangon, were not present for the ruling, but their wives were. Kyaw Soe Oo’s wife, Chit Su, broke down in tears when the ruling was read.
    “Both he and I hoped for the best,” Chit Su told reporters. “I am terribly sad for this decision.”

    Wa Lone, 32, and Kyaw Soe Oo, 28, had denied the charges against them and contended they were framed by police. International rights groups, media freedom organizations, U.N experts and several governments condemned their conviction as an injustice and an attack on freedom of the press.
    “Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo did not commit any crime, nor was there any proof that they did,” Gail Gove, Reuters chief counsel, said in a statement after the ruling. “Instead, they were victims of a police setup to silence their truthful reporting. We will continue to do all we can to free them as soon as possible.”
    Khin Maung Zaw, a lawyer for the two, said the pair could still seek their freedom by petitioning the president’s office or the legislature.
    President Win Myint could reduce the sentence, order a retrial or have them released. Legislative action for a retrial would be a lengthier, more complicated process.
    “I am greatly disappointed by the decision of the court because it damaged very much our country’s prestige and our right of information and press freedom, it damaged very much,”Khin Maung Zaw said. But, I’m not losing hope completely, because all the whole world is on our side. So, as I always said, the case was lost, but the cause was won throughout the whole world. ”
    Myanmar’s military launched a brutal counterinsurgency campaign in the western state of Rakhine in 2017, driving more than 700,000 members of the Muslim Rohingya minority to flee to Bangladesh.
    Reporting on the crackdown has proven sensitive in Buddhist-dominated Myanmar, where many support the campaign and bristle at worldwide condemnation of the military’s alleged human rights abuses.
    The military has denied it any rights abuses and says the campaign is a response to a series of attacks on security personnel by Rohingya insurgents.
    The Reuters reporters had worked on an investigation of the killing of 10 Rohingya villagers in Inn Din village, for which the government last year said seven soldiers were sentenced to up 10 years in prison with hard labor.
    Investigators working for the U.N.’s top human rights body said last year that genocide charges should be brought against senior Myanmar military officers, while other critics accused the army of ethnic cleansing.
    Prosecution witnesses at the reporters’ trial gave confusing and conflicting testimony, lending weight to the belief that the arrests were a clumsy setup by the government.
    The reporters’ claim that they were framed was supported by surprise testimony from a whistleblower in the police department, Police Capt. Moe Yan Naing.
    Although summoned as a prosecution witness, he told the court that his superior had arranged for two policemen to meet the reporters at a restaurant and hand over documents described as “important secret papers” in order to entrap them.
    As a result of his testimony, he was jailed for a year for violating the Police Disciplinary Act and his family was forced to leave their police housing unit.
    A report released in February by Human Rights Watch noted that expectations of a new era of freedom of expression under the government of democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi remain unfulfilled nearly three years after her party ended more than five decades of harsh military rule.
    The military, however, remains powerful and controls key ministries that are not under civilian oversight, such as defense and internal security.
    The report said Suu Kyi’s government has failed to roll back many of the legal restrictions on freedom of speech and assembly, and has instead toughened some of those laws and enacted a new measure limiting free speech.
    Journalists have been some of the most high-profile targets. The report cited a Myanmar freedom of expression organization, Athan, as saying that at least 43 journalists have been arrested from when Suu Kyi’s government took power in 2016 through last September.
    In a new case, the online magazine The Irrawaddy reported Monday that it has been sued by the army for its coverage of recent fighting between the government and the Arakan Army ethnic rebel group.
    It said the suit was filed under Article 66(d) of the Telecommunications Law, which provides for up to three years in prison for “extorting, coercing, restraining wrongfully, defaming, disturbing, causing undue influence or threatening any person using a telecommunications network.”
    There has been an upsurge of fighting since late last year involving attacks by the Arakan Army, which is aligned with Rakhine state’s Buddhist population and seeks autonomy for the region.
    Story: Aung Naing Soe
    Myanmar Court Rejects Appeal of Jailed Reuters Reporters

    so können sich Zeiten ändern,
    und Lichtgestalten des Kampfes gegen die Diktatur,
    einmal selbst Teil des Unterdrückungssystems werden.

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    Wenn man eine domografische Zeitbombe im Land hat, ist es nur eine Frage der Zeit, bis die Gegend ein Fremdkörper im Land wird, der nicht zu halten ist. Aus einer Handvoll Terroristen wird im Laufe der Zeit eine ganze Armee, die sich in einer immer homogener islamisch werdenden Provinz wie Fische im Wasser bewegen. Dann ist es zu spät, und wenn der Trend angehalten hätte, könnte man schon die Entwicklung in angrenzenden Provinzen vorhersagen. Suu Kyi jetzt für unschöne Nachrichten verantworltich zu machen ist genauso eindimensional, wie sie vor dem Übergang zur diktatorischen Schein-Demokratie als Lichtgestalt hinzustellen.

  8. #347
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    na, immerhin wurde sie demokratisch gewählt,
    bevor sie abgesetzt wurde.

    Das mit zunehmendem Alter im Hausarrest,
    sich buddhistische Hass-Prediger an ihre Seite gesellten,
    und sich ihrer Schwächen zunutze machten,
    ist eine Variante ihres tragischen Schicksals.

    Natürlich wird die Weltgemeinschaft keine Art von ethnischen Säuberungen akzeptieren.

    Als man seinerzeit General Prayut Sat-Bilder über die Ausschreitungen vorlegte,
    sagte er spontan - wir brauchen auch solche Satelliten.

    Es war eine notwendige Befreiung, das die burmesische Regierung, nun eine Rebellentruppe die Schuld der Ausschreitungen zuschob,
    und damit das eigene Militär entlastete,
    aber dieser Schlingerkurs ist nur möglich,
    weil die USA zur Zeit auf Tauchstation gegangen sind.

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    Zitat Zitat von Siamfan Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich halte es nicht fuer normal, was dieser hardliner Buddhist monk Wirathu da abzieht!
    Er wird zunehmend regimekritisch. Jetzt Haftbefehl gegen Wirathu

    https://mobil.derstandard.at/2000104...n-Hassprediger

  10. #349
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    Zitat Zitat von xxeo Beitrag anzeigen

    von buddhistischen Hassprediger geht eine enorme Gefahr aus, nicht nur in Myanmar,
    sie starten als Vertrauenperson und setzen am Ende die Köpfe der gewonnen Anhängerschaft in Brand.

    Es wird eine Zeit kommen, da gibt es in jedem Land eine Telefonnummer, mit dem Zweck - meldet einen Hassprediger

    Allerdings,

    der Westen muss eine Antwort für ein Problem in Schwellenländer finden,

    Länder, wo ein multiethnisches Zusammenleben klappt,
    verliert die innere Balance,
    weil sich eine ethnische Gruppierung plötzlich überproportional schnell vermehrt,
    und damit immer mehr Recourcen für ihre Gemeinschaft beansprucht - Land, Teilhabe, (... und damit Wegnahme von den Anderen).

    Es wäre naiv zu glauben, dass sich die anderen ethnischen Gemeinschaften das bieten lassen,
    sie werden für ihre Geburtenkontrolle bestraft, weil sie sich an die Regeln gehalten haben.

    Es ist nur logisch, das nun die Stimme ertönt,
    die alte Balance muss geschützt werden, und Unruhestifter müssen damit rechnen,
    wie Unkraut behandelt zu werden.

    Natürlich gibt es kein Mittel gegen Überbevölkerung, aber es sind immer nur bestimmte Gruppierungen,
    die die Ordnung in Frage stellen.

    Also, was soll man machen ?

    staatliche Zwangs-Massenimpfung, mit spontan angebotenen Promotionzahlungen als Sterelisierungsprämien ?
    (um die Freiwilligkeit zu wahren, denn jede Zwangsmassnahme, oder geheime Massnahme käme nicht gut an)

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    Zitat Zitat von DisainaM Beitrag anzeigen
    ...........................
    ..............................

    Natürlich gibt es kein Mittel gegen Überbevölkerung, aber es sind immer nur bestimmte Gruppierungen,
    die die Ordnung in Frage stellen.

    Also, was soll man machen ?

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    Sollten tatsächlich mal Arbeitskräfte fehlen dann vom EU-Raum einladen und gut bezahlen!

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