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Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

Erstellt von petpet, 09.11.2009, 01:15 Uhr · 57 Antworten · 2.455 Aufrufe

  1. #11
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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Meinst Du, so ein inhaltliches Argument spielt eine Rolle? So Gleichnisse sind z.Zt. schwer in Mode gekommen, in Thailand. Sie verraten eine grosse Hilflosigkeit im Umgang mit Realpolitik. Wenn die Welt um einen herum - wer genau das ja ist, wissen nur wenige Thais - aus Thailand als Mittelpunkt der Welt gesehen wird.

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  3. #12
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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    versteht sich Thaksin eigentlich ganz gut mit dem Kronprinzen oder warum lobt er ihn so?

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    Zitat Zitat von KKC",p="793771

    Da kann man eigentlich nur bemerken, das der Hr. nattawut saikue keine Ahnung und schon garnicht von US-Präsidenten hat.
    naja, wer hätte schon vorher gedacht, das Thaksin mal Berater von Hun Sen werden würde :-)

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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Ist ja inwischen in Thailand alles gesperrt.

    Der Server unter w3.mict.go.th braucht zu lange, um eine Antwort zu senden

    Im Ausland mag das ganz anders sein:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6909856.ecehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6909258.ece

    In Thailand selbst weiss derjenige, der wissen will, was denn nun verboten ist zu wissen, sehr gut Bescheid.

    Bangkok Pundit erzaehlt die Geschichte wie folgt:

    The Thaksin interview with The Times

    Some of the links have already been blocked and the government has already threatened to take action against those who report on it so won´t link to the article or the full transcript.

    Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was hoping mad and quickly released a statement criticising the headline and the lead. He stated:

    1. I never gave an interview with the content "calls for ´shining´ new age after King´s death". This headline is the action of Times Online. It is false. I never gave an interview like that.

    2. I never gave an interview with the statement "called for reform of the country’s revered monarchy and spoken of a “shining” new age after the era of the ailing King, Bhumibol Adulyadej". This writing is the acts of Times Online. It is a distortion. I have never given an interview like that.

    3. I have never given an interview which were offensive to the monarchy in any way. On the contrary, in the interview, I defended the institution of monarchy as being above politics and said the Thai people adore the institution.

    4. I gave an interview extolling the honour and intelligence of the Crown Prince

    I am upset on the way Times Online presents the news this time. I spoke to the interviewer and told him that the institution was a very sensitive matter and that it was necessary to report directly what I said. I condemn Times Online for publishing this false and confusing article.I would like to repeat again that my family and I are loyal to His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Queen and like all Thais are ready to sacrifice our lives to protect the monarchy

    The part of the interview where Thaksin refers to the Crown Prince shining is:

    But after he becomes the King I´m confident he can be shining to perform Kingship, because he has observed His Majesty, his father, for many years. He learns a lot from His Majesty. It´s not his time yet. But when the time comes I think he will be able to perform.

    BP: Not sure there is too much wrong with this.

    Then on the talk of reform, Thaksin states:

    [Q] So the monarchy is a good thing but the royal institution needs reform – is that right?

    [A] Yes, yes.

    [Q] What kind of reform?

    [A] The constitutional monarchy must be strictly abided by. All the institutions must function according to the rule of law and the political rules, but sometimes they´ve been influenced. The justice system can be intervened in by the palace circle.

    BP: The above section is what has led to varied translations in the Thai media and has been made a focus - see Matichon.Thaksin seems to be worried that "reform of monarchy" will be equated with "overthrow the monarchy", but from the transcript you can´t draw that conclusion. The differences from what Thaksin said are not that great. It is not a distortion, but a small change of words can change the meaning slightly which is part of the problem.

    When Abhisit came to power there was talk of providing clear guidelines about lese majeste cases as the Foreign Ministry stated just a few weeks ago:

    To ensure its proper enforcement, the government is also in the process of providing clearer guidelines on its application. As it is though, the law is not aimed at curbing freedom of speech and expression nor the legitimate exercise of academic freedom including the debates about the monarchy as an institution. Amidst the on-going intense political differences, apparent attempts to politicize the monarchy for political ends seem to have unduly gained momentum. Those who follow developments in the country are therefore asked to be more careful in differentiating facts from rumors.

    BP: So talk of reform although still keeping a constitutional monarchy is not okay? Bangkok Governor´s interview with Der Spiegel though has not attracted the same attention although one could say it was equally controversial in parts with talk of HM´s role in politics.

    Thaksin´s problem in the interview seems related to his comments about the Crown Prince although as AP notes he offered praise for the Crown Prince throughout:

    In the Times interview, which included a transcript posted online, the former prime minister was laudatory about Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn, whom he described as "the newer generation, modern."

    "He has a very strong determination to do what he really wants to achieve," said Thaksin.

    BP: Actually, it was this open support for the Crown Prince that BP found more interesting...

    On the political fallout, these things are hard to judge. One can´t poll, but as The Nation notes:

    The Times Online report was circulated like wildfire on the Web, prompting fiery criticism and catching the Pheu Thai Party off guard.

    BP: Translations have also popped up online. The article has gone viral. Many will find it inappropriate that there is any talk of the institution, but am not so sure this interview is that damaging politically given discussions over such issues are much more widespread nowdays although this will depend on how accurate translations that spread are. There is an immediate effect of unease of what Thaksin said, but once translations circulate up-country am not so sure that many will be that offended.

    Democrat reaction has been typical ranging from Abhisit being relatively calm to his spokesman Thepthai stating that punishment for stating such things is beheading for 7 generations (โฆษกมาร์ค ชี้ แม้ว สุดชั่วจาบจ้วงเบื้องสูงรุนแรงต้องประหาร 7 ชั่วโคตร)."

    Also ich finde den Vorschlag vom Thepthai erfrischend progressiv: โฆษกมาร์ค ชี้ แม้ว สุดชั่วจาบจ้วงเบื้องสูงรุนแรงต้องประหาร 7 ชั่วโคตร

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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Soweit ich informiert bin, veröffentlicht die Times nur genehmigte Interviews.
    Kann natürlich sein, das hier Thaksin mit dem Englisch überfordert war und einfach ohne Prüfung das Interview freigab.
    Vermutlich hat er aber den Rückzieher erst dann beschlossen, als er die Verärgerung vieler seiner Rothemden bemerkte.
    Abhisit wird sich freuen :-)

    BANGKOK - FORMER Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has said that an article published online on Monday from an interview he gave to the Times of London was 'distorted'.

    'It (the article) was a complete distortion of my interview,' he said, in a statement. 'The falsified article has caused confusion among the readers and the Thai people.

    'I would like to repeat again that my family and I are loyal to His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Queen and, like all Thai people, ready to sacrifice our lives to protect the monarchy.'

    His statement came after an angry reaction from many to the interview, which appeared online yesterday morning.

    Mr Thepthai Senpong, a spokesman for Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, waved a printout of the interview at reporters and said Thaksin's comments were offensive to the monarchy, and may warrant 'seven generations of beheading'.

    The Times quoted Thaksin as saying, in his first explicit comments on succession in the monarchy: 'There's going to be a smooth transition but Thais need to reconcile their differences first, before the reign change. The reign change will be smooth.'

    Thaivisa


    In the interview, the ousted premier, discussed the future king of Thailand and said “[highlight=yellow:345e9db4c9]yes, yes[/highlight:345e9db4c9]” when asked by the Times reporter, Richard Parry, if he was saying that the monarchy was a good thing but that it needed reform. He also called on His Majesty the King or the Crown Prince to step in to resolve the long-standing domestic political conflict and bring about national reconciliation and unity.

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...-his-own-grave

    vermutlich hat er die Frage gar nicht richtig verstanden, einfach auf alles yes, ähm, yes - no, ähm yes.... :-)
    Sollte doch ev. mal vorher einen Englischkurs besuchen, bevor er Interviews mit der Times abhält.

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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Zitat Zitat von schimi",p="793810
    versteht sich Thaksin eigentlich ganz gut mit dem Kronprinzen oder warum lobt er ihn so?
    ja, ich denke mal - das er mit dem Kronprinzen leichter zurechkommen würde. Nur stellt sich hier die Frage, ob das Militär den Kronprinzen überhaupt auf den Thron lässt, oder ob nicht nach einem intensiven Gespräch mit diesem, dieser dann plötzlich aus gesundheitlichen Gründen, seiner Schwester den Thron überlässt.

    Mal sehen..., noch ist er nicht König.

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    Zitat Zitat von Bukeo",p="793948
    In the interview, the ousted premier, discussed the future king of Thailand and said “[highlight=yellow:fa3e485bb3]yes, yes[/highlight:fa3e485bb3]” when asked by the Times reporter, Richard Parry, if he was saying that the monarchy was a good thing but that it needed reform. He also called on His Majesty the King or the Crown Prince to step in to resolve the long-standing domestic political conflict and bring about national reconciliation and unity.
    Richtig, welcher vernuenftige Mensch wuerde hierzu auch "Nein" sagen.

  9. #18
    Bukeo
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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Zitat Zitat von waanjai_2",p="793969
    Richtig, welcher vernuenftige Mensch wuerde hierzu auch "Nein" sagen.
    im Normalfall ja, aber er hat dabei leider vergessen - das nicht der Kronprinz beim Volk beliebt ist, sondern immer noch der König.
    Er hat die Reaktion des Volkes überschätzt - daher auch sein Rückzieher und seine verzweifelten Versuche, den Bericht als verzerrt darzustellen.

    Gottseidank, wohl zu spät.... :-)

  10. #19
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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Kannste mir mal die Lottozahlen vom nächsten Samstag per PN durchgeben...
    ....Was Du so alles weißt

  11. #20
    Bukeo
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    Re: Interview mit Thaksin aus "The Times"

    Zitat Zitat von KKC",p="793989
    Kannste mir mal die Lottozahlen vom nächsten Samstag per PN durchgeben...
    ....Was Du so alles weißt
    das der Kronprinz beim Volk nicht beliebt ist, weiss wohl mittlerweile jedes Kind in TH.
    Das Thaksin den Bericht als verzerrt darstellt, steht heute in allen Zeitungen.

    Ev. sollte man doch ab und zu mal einige Medien lesen, bevor man postet - sonst wird es eher peinlich.

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