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HKT u. seine wahren, stillen Verlierer

Erstellt von berti, 03.11.2014, 11:09 Uhr · 14 Antworten · 2.157 Aufrufe

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    HKT u. seine wahren, stillen Verlierer

    das sind sie, die wahren zukünftigen Verlierer in Phuket

    wer in Patong Land von z.B. 1 rai für 180 mio Baht kauft kann sich ausrechnen, wie viele Jahre er bis zur vollen Amortisierung seines prächtigen Hotels mit seinen low-budget Indern, Chinese group tours, Koreanern etc. warten muß

    solche Preise sind doch nur möglich / Investitionen werden doch nur dann getätigt, wenn im Hintergrund "immer noch etwas geht, etwas läuft..."

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    ....oder für renommierte, intern. Hotelgruppen, die auch überall woanders ihre Hotelmarken in bester Lage positionieren.

    schätze mal, daß es sich hierbei um die teuersten Grundstücke Thailands außerhalb Zentral-Bangkok handelt. Am Chaweng ist es dagegen günstig-

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    Zitat Zitat von benni Beitrag anzeigen
    ....oder für renommierte, intern. Hotelgruppen, die auch überall woanders ihre Hotelmarken in bester Lage positionieren
    da hast Du schon Recht, jedoch: ausgerechnet Patong ist doch wohl eine der versifftesten, runtergekommensten Gegenden überhaupt

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    tja ja, die Top Hotels sind woanders auf Phuket. Dennoch ist 'ausgerechnet' Patong der Hauptstrand der wichtigsten und populärsten, internationalen Badedestination in ganz Asien. Dort sind nun mal die meisten.

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    oder man benutzt es als Waschmaschine.
    Da gibt es ja auch die Brillen Laden Kette, wo fast in jeder Seitenstraße eine Filiale ist.
    Da wurde auch schon mal gemunkelt, daß die Ehefrau des Foodriesen die Steuern des Ehemann Betriebes reduzieren muss.
    -
    Ich kenne in DL einige Pizzerias, da bist fast immer der einzige Gast, trotz riesiger Küche und üppigem Personal.
    Da darfst auch nur im Anzug mit Krawatte rein !

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    ein massiver Angriff gegen den Investitionsstandort Thailand, findet zur Zeit von Thailands Nachbarn statt;

    Vietnam

    Vietnam, previous off-the-radar for foreign property buyers and investors, has approved legislation allowing limited ownership of property by foreigners from July 1, 2015.The move could herald the start of more foreign ownership law changes throughout the region ahead of the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC 2015) which comes into force in one-year from now.
    The Vietnamese government’s aim is to inject action in what has been a broadly stagnant real estate sector whilst boosting economic growth at the same time.
    The law will allow foreigners with a valid visa, as well as foreign companies and international organisations operating in Vietnam, to own houses and apartments. Previously, only foreigners married to Vietnamese nationals and those making contributions to the country were allowed to purchase property.
    Foreigners will be allowed to own a maximum of 30 percent in any apartment building, or 250 houses per ward in the country. This 30 percent rule appears similar to Thailand where foreigners are permitted to own up to 49 percent of the space in any condominium in their own name.
    On November 25, the Vietnam’s National Assembly passed the long-awaited amended Housing Law that addresses a number of issues including regulations on foreign ownership of properties in Vietnam, replacing the pilot scheme that expired in December 2013.
    The new law, to take effect from July 1, 2015, removes many of the previous restrictions on foreign individual buyers.
    CBRE Vietnam noted that all foreigners granted a visa to Vietnam will be allowed to buy residential properties. All foreign investment funds, banks, Vietnamese branches and representative offices of overseas companies are also eligible to buy.
    Purchases of all types of residential property, including condominiums and landed property such as villa and townhouses, can be purchased.
    CBRE confirmed there is no limit on the number of dwelling units a foreigner can buy, but the total number of dwelling units owned by foreigners must not exceed 30 percemt of the total units in one condominium complex, or not exceed 250 landed property units in one particular administrative (or the equivalent of) ward. Previously an eligible foreigner could buy only one condominium in Vietnam.
    Properties owned by foreigners can be sub-leased, traded, inherited and collateralised, where previously the owner could only use the property occupying purposes.
    CBRE Vietnam also confirmed the tenure allowed to foreign individuals buying homes is a 50-year leasehold with renewal possibility upon expiration. Foreign individuals married to Vietnamese citizens are entitled to freehold tenure.
    CBRE Vietnam said: “The relaxation of foreign ownership restrictions is more significant than previously anticipated, and marks a strong step towards opening up the Vietnam real estate market to overseas investment.
    “There are only two major restrictions imposed on foreigners, including a leasehold tenure of 50-years and a cap on the total number of units owned collectively by foreigners in one single condominium project or one administrative (or the equivalent of) ward.
    “In addition, there is also no cap on the sizes of dwelling units or number of units a foreigner can buy, or additional tax.
    “This recently passed Law makes the market more attractive to Vietnam-based expats seeking an investment in residential properties in Vietnam, and clears away the initial barriers to create a level playing field.”
    Adding a note of caution, CBRE Vietnam said: “It should be noted that the implications may not be felt immediately, it will definitely benefit the already improving residential market. Generally, it will provide another boost to the strengthening of confidence and market sentiments, which is currently much needed for Vietnam real estate investment after it lost its lustre post 2008.
    “This long awaited change in the Foreign Ownership Law will help create a more balanced, transparent and sustainable residential property market in Vietnam, and is expected to play a major role in correcting, to some extent, the above-mentioned issues, but the participation of the private sector players will also play a big role,” added Dung Duong, Head of Research Vietnam for CBRE.
    Vietnam to allow foreign ownership

    Burma


    MYANMAR: Das Nachbarland Myanmar lockt ausländische Investoren und Langzeitresidente mit deutlich erleichterten Visabestimmungen – fünf Jahre Aufenthaltsrecht im früheren Burma sollen bereits Anfang Dezember Realität werden.
    Wie „Myanmar Business Today‘ in seiner Online-Ausgabe berichtet, gibt es einen festen Ablaufplan für die erleichterte Visaregelung. U Maung Maung Than, Generaldirektor des Nationalen Registrierungs-Büros von Myanmar kündigte an, dass in Kürze ein sogenanntes Permanent Resident System (PR) in Kraft trete. Fünf Jahre Aufenthalt am Stück mit der Möglichkeit einer einfachen Verlängerung sollen dann kein Problem mehr darstellen.
    Kleine und mittelständische ausländische Unternehmer in Thailand werden diese Entwicklung mit Interesse verfolgen. In Thailand gilt selbst für langjährige Investoren aus westlichen Ländern eine strikte Visumpflicht mit schwierigen Auflagen. Betreiber von Hotels und sonstigen Tourismusunternehmen müssen jedes Jahr ihr Visum erneuern, entweder alle 90 Tage in ein Nachbarland ausreisen oder sich bei der lokalen Immigrationsbehörde melden. Dies sorgt vor allem bei seriösen Unternehmern für Unmut, wenn sie selbst nach Jahrzehnten als Steuerzahler und Investoren wie Bürger zweiter Klasse behandelt werden.
    Myanmars Nationales Registrierungs-Office will bereits in der ersten Woche des Dezember Details zu dem 5-Jahresplan vorlegen und verspricht eine schnelle Umsetzung. Die Öffnung des Nachbarlandes in den vergangenen Jahren hat den dortigen Tourismus belebt und das Interesse von Investoren geweckt. Seit 2011 sind offiziellen Angaben zufolge die Einreisen um das Dreifache gestiegen: von 820.000 Besuchern auf 2,04 Millionen im vergangenen Jahr. Bis Ende dieses Jahres soll die 3-Millionen-Schallmauer durchbrochen werden.
    Fünf Jahre Aufenthaltserlaubnis in Myanmar, Burma

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    noch ein passender Artikel zu Phuket Immobilien :

    Australian Faces Eviction from Phuket Dream Home

    Melbourne retiree Daryl Davies outside the Chom Tawan residential development on Phuket’s west coast. He and other buyers face eviction


    PHUKET – Daryl Davies from Melbourne knew when he saw the luxurious homes set amid eight tropical acres with stunning sea views that this is where he wanted to spend his retirement years.
    “They are absolutely delightful,” says 70-year-old Mr Davies, referring to a $30 million development on the pristine west coast of the Thai resort island of Phuket.
    Mr Davies, a retired commercial pilot, paid the equivalent of about $500,000 in Thai baht for his dream three-bedroom home in Chom Tawan, one of the most prestigious residential developments on Phuket.
    Another property on the Chom Tawan development in Phuket. Photo: Phuket Property - Properties Real Estate Development

    But a Thai court has authorized an auction of the homes of Mr Davies and more than 40 other buyers to the highest bidder if millions of dollars owed to the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) by the project developer are not repaid by a December 17 deadline.
    The plight of the buyers, many of whom have been living in the homes since they were completed seven years ago, illustrates the risks foreigners face buying real estate in Thailand, one of the most popular destinations for retiring Australians.
    Mr Davies and other buyers, including five Australian families, believed they were covering all bases before paying for what were promised to be effectively 90-year leasehold titles for the homes, including hiring lawyers to do due diligence on theproperty.
    “We never for one moment thought there would be a problem,” says Mr Davies, who is married to a Thai.
    Two years ago buyers awoke to find notices pinned to their doors declaring that a Thai manufacturer had not been paid for supplying appliances to the development.
    “We were shocked. We started investigating what had happened but it only got worse, much worse,” Mr Davies said.
    Napawan Asia Limited, the developer of the Chom Tawan residential estate, owes millions to the Industrial Commercial Bank of China. Photo: Phuket Property - Properties Real Estate Development

    The developer, Napawan Asia Limited, had promised that buyers who paid upfront for their houses would receive titles reflecting their freehold/leasehold ownership once the development was registered with Phuket’s land department.
    “The company kept telling us everything is going nicely. It’s happening, don’t worry. But it went on and on,” Mr Davies said.
    Catherine Gathani, a buyer from Hong Kong, said she was aware when finalizing the contract for her home there was a mortgage on the land but Napawan Asia told her “this would be paid down as the buyers’ stage payments were made, so that by the time the project was complete the mortgage would be fully paid”.
    She said buyers only discovered several years later the company had not repaid the original mortgage and that it had given the titles of the buildings to the bank as part of a debt restructuring or remortgaging arrangement.
    Andrew Street, the British developer behind Napawan Asia, admits the company was “over-extended commercially at the commencement of the global financial crisis”, which he says had a significant impact on Phuket.
    Mr Street, who has returned to live in Britain, told the Sydney Morning Herald “I have remained and still intend to deliver all that the buyers require”.
    “Within weeks of this date there will be firm plans to bring this debt restructuring to a conclusion,” he said. “All parties are involved in producing an agreement to achieve the buyers’ requirements relating to ownership . . . we are at the final negotiations of all matters with the bank, buyers and suppliers to conclude this matter.”
    But Mr Davies said attempts over recent months for a settlement between ICBC, the buyers and Napawan Asia have collapsed in acrimony.
    Under one proposal discussed by ICBC in October, the buyers would be forced to pay almost $200,000 more than their original purchase price in exchange for the bank releasing the mortgage.
    The development builder is also owed several million dollars, complicating any settlement.
    Mr Davies described the proposal as a “bridge too far” for the buyers.
    “Many of the investors are retirees who face losing most or all of their life’s savings. It is an appalling situation to be in,” he said. “We fear that one day soon we will all gets knocks our doors and be told to leave our homes.”
    Mr Street, who bought a $1 million house in the English Midlands in August 2013 after leaving Phuket, said “certain people” have tried to personalize the issue and derail any settlement amid a myriad of legal claims and counter-claims.
    “It is not in the interest of all parties concerned for me to return to Thailand whilst in the final steps of the debt workout,” he said.
    As the auction deadline nears, buyers desperate to keep their houses have asked Thailand’s military rulers to intervene in the case and have taken urgent legal action to try to head off the sale of their houses.
    Mr Davies said the buyers he is speaking for have not given up hope of keeping their homes “but our position looks dire”.
    He said the buyers decided to speak publicly about their plight to warn others who may be considering investing in Thai real estate.

    Australian Faces Eviction from Phuket Dream Home | Chiang Rai Times English Language Newspaper

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    @Disi, die Geschichte läuft doch schon seit über 2 Jahren "unrund". In dem Set-up von Napawan sind mehr Farangs als Du glaubst. Schau mal hier:https://hk.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-m...work/9/468/a49

    Oder z.B. CB Richard Ellis...

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    Die uebliche Leasehold-Problematik. Erstens wird das gemacht, um die geltenden Gesetze zu unterlaufen, zweitens gibt es keine 90 Jahre (max. 30) und drittens geht ohne Landtitel und Eintrag garnichts. Gelduebergabe auf dem Landoffice mit gleichzeitiger Eintragung. Kann man nur sagen, dumm gelaufen, naiv und selber schuld.

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    Zitat Zitat von MadMac Beitrag anzeigen
    Die uebliche Leasehold-Problematik. Erstens wird das gemacht, um die geltenden Gesetze zu unterlaufen, zweitens gibt es keine 90 Jahre (max. 30) und drittens geht ohne Landtitel und Eintrag garnichts. Gelduebergabe auf dem Landoffice mit gleichzeitiger Eintragung. Kann man nur sagen, dumm gelaufen, naiv und selber schuld.
    wenn dies ein paar unbedarften Ausländern passiert, ok, dumm gelaufen,
    aber hier scheint es zu sein, dass verschiedene Käufer die Sache über Anwaltskanzleien abgewickelt haben,

    wäre mal interessant, zu erfahren,
    welche Kanzleien denn nun mit einer Anwaltshaftpflichtversicherung abgesichert sind,
    denn hier wurde mehr, als nur gepennt.

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