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DP: Wir lassen uns nicht bestechen

Erstellt von waanjai_2, 12.02.2009, 08:44 Uhr · 256 Antworten · 9.528 Aufrufe

  1. #111
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    Re: DP: Wir lassen uns nicht bestechen

    Kommen wir wieder zurück zu den - heutzutage prinzipiell völlig unhaltbaren - Aussagen von dem PAD-Führer Sondhi L.
    Von wegen Geld an viele MPs der Democrats.


    Ja, aber warum das alles nur?

    die Bangkok Post weiß Rat:
    Transport Ministry´s one-airport policy smells fishy

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...y-smells-fishy

    Liest man dann noch die zusammenfassende Analyse hier, dann kann man sich gut vorstellen, was den Sondhi zu seinen Aussagen bewegt haben muß. Schreibe das jetzt hier so dezidiert, weil der Abhisit zwar den Vorwurf von Sondhi sehr wohl verstanden - und vielleicht sogar nachvollziehen konnte - nicht aber so richtig wußte, warum King Power ihm seine - ähm viele seiner - Leute schmierte.

    Dem Manne kann inzwischen geholfen werden:

    http://siamreport.blogspot.com/2009/...i-airways.html

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  3. #112
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    Re: DP: Wir lassen uns nicht bestechen

    So 'mal als kleiner Zwischenstand in der TPI Polene Affäre:

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...-the-democrats

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    Zitat Zitat von waanjai_2",p="703689
    So 'mal als kleiner Zwischenstand in der TPI Polene Affäre:

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/o...-the-democrats
    hier rudert die PT schon wieder etwas zurück - nicht die DP hätte direkt das Geld erhalten, sondern so etwa der Bruder des Onkels von dessen Frau usw.
    Also man sollte schon erst die Beweise sammeln, ansonsten wird man unglaubwürdig.
    Wo ist eigentlich der Vorwurf der anderen 250 Mill. von Prachadit - zerplatzt :-)

    Wenn ein Vorwurf zerplatzt, wirft die PT schnell einen neuen unters Volk.

  5. #114
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    Und hier der letzte Zwischenstand bei The Nation:


    "Democrats will survive vote, but...

    The Democrats should comfortably win the censure vote tomorrow, but unless they come up with convincing information to counter Chalerm Yoobamrung´s allegations, that could mean they will get away with murder.

    Make no mistake. This "illegal donations" scandal is rather the tip of an iceberg than a shocking exposure, and it´s worth noticing that the charges of underground sponsorship were coming from Pheu Thai MPs of all people. But thanks to Chalerm´s clear-cut presentation this will remain a thorn in the Democrats´ side in the foreseeable future.

    Article 51 of the Political Party Act prohibits reception of covert gifts, whereas Article 62 outlaws misuse of subsidised money and dishonest reports concerning political subsidies. Some of those offences can lead to party dissolution.

    It´s a smart move by Pheu Thai, after Samak Sundaravej was dislodged as prime minister last year for merely hosting a TV cooking show and the People Power Party was dissolved later for violations of election laws by one of its executives.

    The motive was, obviously, not to sway enough government MPs and win the censure vote, but to reinforce the impression here and abroad that Thaksin Shinawatra´s followers have been subjected to some kind of judicial bias.

    The real game will be played out after today outside Parliament. The National Anti-Corruption Commission will be tasked with considering if the case is strong enough to seek impeachment of individual Democrats. The Election Commission will have to follow up on whatever evidence the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has found about the controversial money.

    It seems this issue is Pheu Thai´s "Hail Mary" shot, its only hope. Other accusations made yesterday were mostly soft blows, including questions about Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva´s military background that looked far less complicated than those of Chalerm´s own children, and about "undeclared" earrings Abhisit´s wife wore at the couple´s wedding. And a lot of time was spent in the afternoon, to everyone´s amusement, on a protracted Democrat protest against an opposition speaker who claimed Abhisit was not the "real leader" of the ruling party.

    Abhisit looked relaxed and confident. He answered questions with total composure and even appeared playful at certain points. In fact, most Democrats were like him on the first day of the parliamentary showdown.

    But the seeming harmlessness of the two-day censure could betray something that lies ahead. The roads will be quite tricky. Chalerm, who was rumoured to have met Thaksin to seek advice on the censure strategy, has managed to plant more seeds of uncertainty on the already uncertain political landscape."

    http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/03/...s_30098429.php

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    Wie ja immer war ja nichts hinter den Vorwürfen der Opposition während der Mißbtrauensdebatte.

    Einmal abgesehen davon, dass das DSI gleich einen Tag später in der Schußliste der Regierung stand: Von wegen, wo waren hier die Lecks
    - die es doch garnicht gibt, noch geben kann!

    Inzwischen hat man bei der EC Post, viel Post, von der DSI erhalten. Soviel, dass man schon wieder Unrat befürchtet.

    Aber genug, um weitreichende Konsequenzen daraus ziehen zu können.
    Übrigens: Schon während der Mißtrauensdebatte sickerte durch, dass man bis heute schon mind. 2 Auffang-Parteien für die Democrats mit ähnlich klingendem Namen gegründet hat. Man weiß ja nie, wie schnell man so neue Hülsen braucht.

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...-dsi-documents

  7. #116
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    Inzwischen ist doch alle Post eingetroffen.
    Beruhigend irgendwie.
    Denn man bekommt den Eindruck, die Post vom DSI sei für die EC so etwas wie "eine heiße Kartoffel". Zwar gut zum Englisch-Sprechen-Lernen, aber sonst?

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingn...-files-missing

    "None of DSI files ´missing´
    None of the Department of Special Investigation´s investigation files on a political donation to the Democrat party went missing when its two boxes containing those files forwarded to the Election Commission were opened Wednesday.

    The EC had earlier asked the DSI to reveal how many investigation files on the 258-million-baht donation allegedly made by TPI Polene to the Democrats via an advertising company as there appeared to be discrepancies. The DSI had written to the EC stating that it had delivered eight files to the EC, but the commission found the covers of the boxes mentioned that there were only seven files.

    The EC decided to ask the DSI to jointly examine the boxes and the number of the files.

    DSI deputy chief Suchart Wong-anandchai, who jointly opened the boxes with EC secretary-general Suthiphon Thaveechaiyagarn, said the DSI had launched a probe into TPI Polene´s alleged violations of the Securities Exchange of Thailand following a complaint against the company.

    While investigating the case, the DSI found the case may violate the Political Party Act. It decided not to wrap up the case and forward it to the EC to probe the political angle, he said.

    He conceded parts of the DSI´s documents sent to the EC were similar to contents of documents used by the Opposition Puea Thai party during last week´s no-confidence debate.

    He insisted the DSI´s decision to send the files to the EC one day before the censure debate kicked off had no political implications."

    Auf jeden Fall hat nun die EC den Dreh gefunden, evtl. bis zum Sankt Nimmerleins Tag abzuwarten, bevor sie daran evtl. denken würden, evtl. der Frage nachzugehen, ob evtl. da irgendetwas evtl. so schief gelaufen sei, wie es im Sprichtwort halt so heißt. Die Anhänger des neuen "vollelastischen Rechts" in Thailand werden es der EC danken.


    EC will wait for DSI report on TPIPL funds: Sodsri
    The Election Commission will wait till it gets a report from the Department of Special Investigation today on alleged illegal funds from TPI Polene before looking into the case, EC member Sodsri Satayathum said yesterday.

    The EC would have to assess the scope of the case, Sodsri said. If the Pheu Thai Party filed a complaint on similar points, the EC would combine them with its inquiry.

    The commission would summon former Democrat MP Manoonkrit Roopkachorn if Pheu Thai said he had leaked the information.

    Pheu Thai´s chief MP Chalerm Yoobamrung has said he received "inside" information about the TPIPL funds from Manoonkrit.

    Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the party would file a complaint to the EC today about Democrat executives allegedly involved in the matter.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, who is the Democrat leader, said he was ready to testify and confident he could explain details of the Bt263million from TPI Polene to investigating agencies.

    "I´m not worried that what happened would be a big bet [that could lead] to party dissolution. I am obliged to clarify. When the case is at the Election Commission or any agency, I will testify, just as I did in the past."

    Manoonkrit was not a party member at the time of the alleged wrongdoing. And while he had resigned from the Democrats, he had no conflicts with anyone in the party, Abhisit said.

    Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban questioned the credibility of Chalerm´s claim yesterday.

    "I simply don´t believe Chalerm because he doesn´t speak the truth," he said.

    Suthep, who is the Democrat secretarygeneral, said he would disregard Chalerm´s remarks, as he didn´t believe Manoonkrit tipped off Chalerm about the party´s financial affairs. Manoonkrit left the party on amicable terms, he said.

    Suthep said he believed the party was innocent of any wrongdoing.

    Meanwhile, Pheu Thai MP Surapong Tovichakchaikul said yesterday he would petition the Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate alleged unlawful money transfers by a public company listed on the stock market. He was referring to TPI Polene."

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009...s_30098952.php

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    Heute hat auch die Oppositionspartei ihre Unterlagen, die sie zur Mißtrauensdebatte zusammengetragen hatte, der Wahlkommission übergeben.

    Mal sehen, was im neuen Zeitalter des vollelastischen Rechts daraus gemacht oder nicht daraus gemacht wird:

    "Puea Thai hands EC donation info

    Puea Thai party handed over evidence relating to the controversial 258-million-baht Democrat party donation donation to the Election Commission (EC) on Friday.

    Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit and party-list MP Prakiat Nasimma together filed the information with the Election Commission office.

    Puea Thai accused Democrat party of receiving an illegal donation from TPI Polene Plc for the 2005 general election through a partly dormant advertising agency, Messiah Business and Creation.

    Mr Prompong said he was confident the evidence submitted would lead to dissolution of the ruling Democrat party if the Election Commission uses the same standards when it used when dissolving the Thai Rak Thai, People Power party, Chart Thai and Matchimathipataya parties."

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingn...-donation-info

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    Aufgrund der Nachfrage von Bukeo hier im Forum sah sich die Wahlkommission (EC) zu einem kurzen Zwischenbericht gezwungen:


    "EC to consider allegedly-illegal donation to Democrat this week
    The Election Commission will this week investigate the case in which the ruling Democrat Party was accused of illegally obtaining a donation of Bt258 million from TPI Polene, EC secretary-general Sutthipol Thaweechaikarn said Tuesday.
    Suthipol said a working committee of the EC had finished studying the case and would submit it to the full EC to deliberate this week.
    The opposition alleged that TPI Polene siphoned the money from the stock market and gave it to the Democrat through a PR firm for spending in an election.
    But TPI Polene said the money for the cost of the firm's PR campaigns."

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...ation-to-Democ

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    Zitat Zitat von waanjai_2",p="718159
    Aufgrund der Nachfrage von Bukeo hier im Forum sah sich die Wahlkommission (EC) zu einem kurzen Zwischenbericht gezwungen:


    "EC to consider allegedly-illegal donation to Democrat this week
    The Election Commission will this week investigate the case in which the ruling Democrat Party was accused of illegally obtaining a donation of Bt258 million from TPI Polene, [highlight=yellow:71b51083a5]EC secretary-general Sutthipol Thaweechaikarn said Tuesday.
    Suthipol said a working committee of the EC had finished studying the case and would submit it to the full EC to deliberate this week.[/highlight:71b51083a5]
    The opposition alleged that TPI Polene siphoned the money from the stock market and gave it to the Democrat through a PR firm for spending in an election.
    But TPI Polene said the money for the cost of the firm's PR campaigns."

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...ation-to-Democ


    na dann schaun wir mal!

    Aus den gleichen Reihen kamen ja auch Behauptungen wie:

    "Die Gastank_LKW wurden nicht von "echten Rothemden" in Stllung gebracht!"

    "Die jetztige Regierung istden legitimen Demonstranten mit ueberzogener Gewalt entgegengetreten!"

    "es gab unzaehlige Tote und Verletzte, die heimlich beseitigt wurden!"


    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.



    Einer der Hauptanklaeger der Opposition ist Chalerm Yoobumrung dessen Soehne, Wangchalerm & Duangchalerm Yoobamrung in einen recht spektakulaeren Mordfall (Taurus-Club-Affaere) an einem Polizisten mindestens beteiligt, wen nicht als Haupttaeter verwickelt, wenigstens jedoch, am Ort des Geschehens, anwesend waren.

    Etliche Augenzeugen fanden den Beschuldigten "schuldig" und "Taeter" implizierten, Augenzeugen zogen ihre Aussagen wie von magischer Hand zurueck, die Soehne blieben monatelang verschwunden einer von ihnen ist Heute wieder rehabilitiertes Mitglied der Armee....


    Dazu ein BBC World Artikel aus dem Jahre 2004:


    Public scandal

    Duangchalerm was charged in his absence, in 2001, with shooting police sergeant Suvichai Rodvimut in the head at point blank range while other men held him down.

    He surrendered himself to the Thai embassy in Malaysia after six months in hiding.

    The scandal surrounding the incident caused Duangchalerm's father, a veteran politician, to lose his job as the deputy leader of the New Aspiration Party, which is a member of the ruling coalition.


    Duangchalerm Yoobamrung, who is the son of the former justice minister, Chalerm Yoobamrung, was cleared of all charges.

    The court ruled that the prosecution had presented insufficient evidence and conflicting witness testimonies.

    The case enthralled the nation and was seen as a test of whether the rich and powerful could evade justice.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3572395.stm



    Zum eigentlichen Tatbestand:



    It was learned that murder suspect Duangchalerm did not have a licence to possess a firearm and his father MP Chalerm Yoobamrung did not report his pistol--the murder weapon--as missing, a prosecution witness told the court.

    Samlee Ang-ngarm and Samart Kerdnork, parking attendants at the Twenty Club on Rachadapisek road, told the Criminal Court on April 21, 2003 that they saw 10 people fighting in front of the club and heard later that the fight was between Wanchalerm Yoobamrung, Mr Duangchalerm's elder brother, and CSD police officers. Mr Wanchalerm and Pol Maj Saravut Sakulmeerit, who accompanied the Yoobamrung brothers to the pub, frustrated efforts by CSD police to arrest Mr Duangchalerm, who shot dead Pol Sgt-Maj Suvichai Rodwimut,

    Quelle:
    http://<br /> http://www.geocities....alerm-0304.htm




    Und Chalerm etwas frueher als Innenminister und Vertreter des LM Gesetzes:



    Chalerm to invoke the security law to shut down 29 controversial websites

    The Nation: May 20, 2008

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008...s_30073490.php

    Interior Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung on Tuesday said he would use the security law to close down 29 websites with contents deemed harmful to the monarchy.

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    Was bin ich froh, dass die EC sich bislang an ihr Mandat gehalten hat und nicht jedes Problem in einen Eintopf universeller Ungerechtigkeiten eingerührt hat. Bekäme ihr, wie der Judikative eines Landes, nicht gut.

    Ich verstehe allerdings schon, dass für bestimmte Menschen es halt wichtig ist, darauf zu verweisen, dass nicht nur die gerade Angeklagten evtl. schuldig sind, sondern auch noch viele, viele andere.

    Aber dann muß man eigenständige Klagen erheben, auf dass auch endlich die anderen vor Gericht stehen. Kein Richter dieser Welt wird und kann es gelten lassen:
    "Du darfst diesen Angeklagten nicht verurteilen, weil andere Leute haben ebenfalls Dreck am Stecken."

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