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Die thail. Medien und die Wirklichkeit

Erstellt von waanjai_2, 20.04.2009, 11:38 Uhr · 147 Antworten · 6.675 Aufrufe

  1. #41
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    Re: Die thail. Medien und die Wirklichkeit

    Zitat Zitat von alhash",p="721277
    Um Dich nicht ständig wiedeholen zu müssen, wäre der Einsatz einer Signatur angebracht
    Danke für den Hinweis. Ich hoffe, es wird nicht notwendig werden, da die anderen Stellen schon in die tiefe Bedeutungslosigkeit ehemaliger "News" gefallen sind. :-)

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  3. #42
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    Re: Die thail. Medien und die Wirklichkeit

    Vor ein paar Tagen gab Armeechef Anupong ein ziemlich wichtiges Radio-Interview. Zum Thema: Ungleichbehandlung der Gelbhemden und der Rothemden durch die Armee?

    Darüber hatten die thail. Medien brav berichtet
    http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...id=00&catid=01
    aber die englisch-sprachigen Zeitungen Bangkok Post und Nation? Fehlanzeige. Paßte wohl nicht in die dezeitige Linie.

    Inzwischen hat Prachatai den thail. Matichon-Bericht auch für uns Ausländer übersetzt:

    "Army Chief denies double standards in handling yellow and red rallies

    Matichon reported an interview which Army Chief Gen Anupong Paojinda had with 100.5 FM radio station on May 9.

    Gen Anupong said that when there was a melee between yellow and red shirts on the night of Sept 1, 2008, he sent three companies of soldiers to intervene because the police force was not sufficient. At 5 am on Sept 2, then Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej ordered him to deal with the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD)’s seizure of Government House. He told the PM that he could not do it, because the PAD had threatened to shut down the water and electricity services, and the airports, if force was used; the country would have been damaged. The police was better equipped than the military, and if large numbers of troops were to be mobilized, there could have been many casualties and injuries. And that would put the military in a difficult position, in which the police now found themselves [due to the clash with the PAD on Oct 7, 2008].

    He said that no matter who formed the government, the army would follow proper orders. He had a good relationship with Samak. The media even reported that he walked behind Samak because he was afraid of being dismissed from the post of Army Chief.

    ‘When he ordered me to disperse [the PAD], I told him that I couldn’t. He understood, and we consulted on what to do. He was about to lift [the Emergency Decree], but he was dismissed by the court for his TV cooking show,’ said Anupong.

    Anupong said that during the Somchai Wongsawat administration, military force was not used [to disperse the PAD] either, and there was a lot of pressure from society. And he had to [order troops to] help the police to guard many places.

    And it was the same with the Abhisit government. He lent support to the government as far as was allowed by law. The government and the army agreed not to disperse [the red shirts], because if they held peaceful rallies, no one could do anything to them. But the red shirts went too far in breaking the law, blocking traffic. Even diplomats from many countries agreed that it was illegitimate, and the public also did.

    According to Anupong, in the eyes of the public and foreigners, the red shirts went too far when they attacked and prevented the ASEAN Summit. The Thai authorities could not answer foreign guests regarding Thailand’s security measures.

    The road blockades in Bangkok had many impacts, causing chaos in the country. It was not a peaceful demonstration, and it had to be dealt with. Just a few companies of soldiers were deployed, and they were insufficiently equipped. So they had to use blank ammunition. Although the use of blank ammunition was not really standard practice, there was no other choice. Nothing else could have been done, said Anupong.

    What happened was not a dispersal of the demonstrations, but the maintenance of law and order, because the demonstration at Government House was able to continue until the last day.

    Anupong gave his word of honour that there would be no dispersal of demonstrations, but the demonstrations would probably be cordoned off to prevent newcomers joining. He said he could account for his actions, and he was consistent no matter what government was in power.

    Regarding the upcoming ASEAN Summit in Phuket, Anupong said that military troops might be used as the main security force, and the 15 nations would probably be asked to bring their own armed security personnel, because the police force was not sufficient, but that would damage Thailand’s reputation.

    When asked if the PAD’s seizures of the airports did not cause trouble in the same way that the red shirts’ road blockades did, Anupong said that at that time the Samak government declared a state of emergency, and Interior Minister Pol Gen Kowit Wattana was the one who was in charge. The Metropolitan Police and the Air Force took charge of Don Muang Airport. Provincial Police Region 1 took charge of Suvarnabhumi Airport, and they could ask for help from the navy, and then from the army, respectively. The army, which was third in line of command, sent three companies of soldiers to help, said Anupong.

    ‘So you see? Could Pol Gen Kowit Wattana do it? He was the one who’s in charge. The state of emergency had been announced. How could I all of a sudden have sent out the troops on my own? What authority did I have? How could I answer if I was asked who gave the order? If there were any casualties, how could I answer the Court as to who gave the order?

    ‘That is not double standards. It’s like saying there are robberies, or student brawls, why doesn’t the army intervene? It’s not our duty. I had no idea who [Pol Gen Kowit] gave orders to, because I had no authority. Pol Gen Kowit was in charge under the Emergency Decree. I was Army Chief. What could I do? It’s not double standards.

    ‘Just ask Pol Gen Kowit why he didn’t [do his duty]. Don’t ask me. But I would say that he could not do it. If it was to be done, I would say how it should be done, and such and such losses would result. Could the police do it? Then give the orders. Probably no one dared to give the orders, because there would be deaths and injuries. [Interviewer] should ask Pol Gen Kowit why he didn’t. Why double standards? Why did he do it on Oct 7 [2008], but didn’t this time?’, said Anupong

    He said he was tired by the media and the misunderstanding of people. His non-partisanship has made him a target of abuse from three sides; the yellows, the reds and the media.

    He said he was now consulting lawyers about taking legal action against what PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul had said about him.

    When asked about the assassination attempt on Sondhi, Anupong said, ‘I don’t know. How could I know? I’ve never seen any cartridges, never seen the car, never seen any detail of the case, never talked to anyone who witnessed the scene, never seen the [closed-circuit] cameras, never seen any pictures. The media have also never seen them, so how could you make your criticisms? I don’t know. I’ve seen just that. How could I know?’ said Anupong.
    Source:
    http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...6&grpid=00&cat...

    http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/1205

  4. #43
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    Ein sehr schönes Beispiel dafür, was bestimmte thailändische Medien aus der historischen Wahrheit so machen, ist das folgende "Editorial" der The Nation.

    Man beachte das Ausmaß an Beweisen zu den Aussagen. Es gibt derer keine!
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009...n_30104577.php

    Nun hat sich jemand freundlicherweise die Mühe gemacht, und Absatz für Absatz die Aussagekraft inkl. vorgebrachter Evidenzen zu prüfen. Ich stelle einmal den Volltext hier ein. Die Bemerkungen des Kritikers sind hier mit gelber Farbe geschrieben um die wenigen Korrekturen ein wenig deutlicher zu machen.

    The Nation descends futher into the journalism gutter
    The Nation Editorial

    What is former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra up to now? And what is current prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva obsessed with? Thaksin is licking his wounds. He has been lying low and is conspicuously quiet. After a failed attempt to return to power on April 13, Thaksin has tried to plot a comeback by overthrowing the Abhisit government. Abhisit´s obsession is how to hang on to his premiership as long as possible.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts to substantiate this. Where is this Thaksin plot to comeback into power?
    [/highlight:2218ef7eea]

    Thaksin´s immediate dilemma is how to unlock his sequestered money. More than six months ago, the UK authorities froze his funds transferred into the UK for the purpose of acquiring the Manchester City Football Club. Then Thaksin´s ultimate goal was to obtain a licence to operate a casino business. The Manchester City Football Club deal would pave the way for the licence.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts to substantiate this.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    But since Thaksin´s money came from dubious sources and under other people´s names, the UK authorities sealed off all the bank accounts until the real owner stepped forward.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts to substantiate this.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    These dubious financial shenanigans, believed to amount to more than US$4 billion (Bt140 billion), led the UK to ban the visas of both Thaksin and his wife Pojaman.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts to substantiate this.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    Apparently, Thaksin has accumulated more foreign assets than Thai assets. His foreign assets have not been properly declared. The main chunk of his domestic assets is the proceeds from the Bt76-billion sale of Shin Corp to Temasek Holdings of Singapore. This has also been frozen by Thai authorities, pending investigation into charges that he is unusually wealthy.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts to substantiate that he has more foreign assets than Thai assets. It is apparent, however, he hasn´t declared his foreign assets.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    Thaksin´s untouchable assets in the UK have attracted very little attention. It is also difficult to get a grip on the story because these foreign assets are under the names of his nominees. Thaksin´s foreign assets also include his margin loans. The UK authorities have given the beneficial owner(s) of the frozen $4 billion six months to step forward and reclaim the money. The deadline now has expired.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]The Nation can´t verify any of this nor does it want to. It would interfere with its policy of just making things up whenever it feels like it. The Nation conveniently doesn´t identify its source in the UK, even anonymously.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    But, by law, the UK banks cannot actually "take" the money without somebody, such as the Thai Attorney-General, coming up with a proceeds-of-crime application. The UK banks and also the UK government have been pretty upset that Thailand is not pursuing any claims with the urgency required.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No source of facts to substantiate this.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    So Thaksin´s best bet is to ensure that no formal and serious claim to the money by Thailand is made over the next year or so. The UK banks will then be unable to hold on to the money and Thaksin may get away with a fine.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]No facts or source to substantiate this.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    But another complication to Thaksin´s attempt to reclaim the money is that he is technically not a Thai anymore. The Thai government cancelled his passport after he played a role in instigating political turmoil on Bangkok streets. Without a Thai passport, Thaksin would not be able to produce a Thai document to back the claim for his money from the UK banks.


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]The Nation is now the final arbiter of who is and who isn´t a Thai without any basis in law. What does a Thai identity document have to do with claiming assets? No citation of law or policy.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]


    We do not know what is going on with Thaksin´s money overseas and why there has been no attempt from the Thai government, particularly the Foreign Ministry or the Attorney-General, to pursue the claim. Remember Thaksin has never claimed that he has any money abroad. But then where did he get the money to acquire the Manchester City Football Club, which he later sold, and make all kinds of investment in various countries?


    [highlight=yellow:2218ef7eea]Typically, The Nation is confused. Obviously, if Thaksin didn´t declare his foreign assets while in office, that is a crime. That doesn´t mean that the assets were taken illegally from the government while he was in power. What right does the Thai government have to take away another Thai person´s private assets in a foreign country? None.


    The Nation has really sunk to a new low with this editorial. Though why should anybody be surprised since The Nation proves time and time again it just makes things up as it sees fit.[/highlight:2218ef7eea]

    Quelle zu dem, der sich die ganze Arbeit gemacht hat:
    http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogsp...ournalism.html

  5. #44
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    Zitat Zitat von waanjai_2",p="734296
    Quelle zu dem, der sich die ganze Arbeit gemacht hat:
    http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogsp...ournalism.html
    scheint der gleiche zu sein, der alle Anti-Abhisit-Blogs eingerichtet hat, wie z.B. thaicrisis usw. :-)

  6. #45
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    Zitat Zitat von Bukeo",p="734382
    scheint der gleiche zu sein, der alle Anti-Abhisit-Blogs eingerichtet hat, wie z.B. thaicrisis usw.
    Nee, sind ganz verschiedene Paar Schuhe. Der Kritiker gibt es viele. Und es werden immer mehr. Zum Fürchten.

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    Zitat Zitat von Bukeo",p="734382

    scheint der gleiche zu sein, der alle Anti-Abhisit-Blogs eingerichtet hat, wie z.B. thaicrisis usw. :-)
    das ist doch wurscht. hauptsache es finden sich welche, die solchen mist wie die zensurpresse schreibt mal unter die lupe nehmen.

    unter taksin war es gegen ende schon schlimm, aber was zur zeit alles verboten , untersagt und verdreht wird, ist teilweise nur noch lächerlich

  8. #47
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    Zitat Zitat von waanjai_2",p="734429
    Zitat Zitat von Bukeo",p="734382
    scheint der gleiche zu sein, der alle Anti-Abhisit-Blogs eingerichtet hat, wie z.B. thaicrisis usw.
    Nee, sind ganz verschiedene Paar Schuhe. [highlight=yellow:d97e86a073]Der Kritiker [/highlight:d97e86a073]gibt es viele. Und es werden immer mehr. Zum Fürchten.
    Deine "Kritiker" sind PR Bueros!

    Oder wie willst du "Kritiker" erklaeren, das England ihm und Pokemon kein Visa mehr erteilt UND "sein Eigentum" d.h. Gelder die in England durch Nominees aufgetaucht sind u.A. um den Man C Club zu erwerben und die anschliessenden Erloese aus dem Verkauf - eingefroren wurden, solange bis der rechtmaessige Eigentuemer nachweisen kann wo die Gelder her sind!

    Nun, das duerfte ihm im Nachhinein nun ohne Visa recht schwer fallen!

    In England duerfte ihm auch ein Aufstand nach Muster des 13.April Aufstandes in Bangkok recht schwer fallen!

    Also was, Herr Paragrafenverdreher?

  9. #48
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    Zitat Zitat von J-M-F",p="734430

    das ist doch wurscht. hauptsache es finden sich welche, die solchen mist wie die zensurpresse schreibt mal unter die lupe nehmen.
    was wird den zensiert - ausser LM.
    Unter Thaksin wurde alles einfach aufgekauft oder es gab Drohungen.

    Ich finde, die The Nation und die BP schreiben für und gegen die Regierung, gab es unter Thaksin niemals. Da wären sofort alle Werbeaufträge storniert worden, wie es bei der TheNation der Fall war.
    Bei ITV wurden die Anti-Thaksin-Redakteure gefeuert und mussten sich erst wieder durch Gegen-Klagen rehabilitieren.

    Welche Linie die einzelnen Zeitungen und Magazine einschlagen, dürfte nicht von der Regierung gesteuert werden und ist m.E. eine freie Entscheidung der jeweiligen Presse.

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    Zitat Zitat von Bukeo",p="734441

    ..........
    Welche Linie die einzelnen Zeitungen und Magazine einschlagen, dürfte nicht von der Regierung gesteuert werden und ist m.E. eine freie Entscheidung der jeweiligen Presse.

    Ein J-M-F, KKC und waani, die wuerden das aber ganz gerne sehen, wie unter Thaksin, da hatte die einst recht kritische BP sehr zu leiden, es wurden wichtige Werbeeinnahmen einfach gestrichen, Journalisten, Redakteure verklagt, die Nation war schon immer kritisch, egal welche Regierung an der Macht war, unter Thaksin wurde auch die kritische Stimme der Nation sehr leise... wegen der staendigen "Verleumdungsklagen" wo mindestens waani auch ein Fan von zu sein scheint!


    Diese Leute versuchen alles ideologisch pro Thaksin - Anti Abhisit zu verdrehen - egal was....!


    Aus welchen Gruenden, mit welchen Zielen erschliesst sich mir allerdings nicht!

  11. #50
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    Zitat Zitat von Samuianer",p="734453


    Diese Leute versuchen alles ideologisch pro Thaiksin - Anti Abhisit zu verdrehen - egal was....!
    aber sie schwimmen wohl gottseidank gegen den Strom :-)

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