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Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

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    Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Wenn wir eine Thailänderin in Deutschland heiraten überprüft das OLG anhand des thailändischen Familienrechts, ob eine ehe möglich ist. Das wissen wir alle. wie das Recht genau aussieht, wußte so gut wie niemand. Mein diesbezügliches googeln war jetzt endlich erfolgreich. Hier ist das gesamte Thailändische Familienrecht in englischer Übersetzung doch noch zu finden gewesen:

    The Civil and Commercial Code of Thailand
    Books 1-6

    Chapter II
    Condition of Marriage
    (Ed. note: This Chapter extends from Sections 1448-1460.)

    CHAPTER 11 CONDITIONS OF MARRIAGE
    (Ed. Note: This chapter extends from Section 1448-1460)

    Section 1448. A marriage can take place only when the man and woman have completed their seventeenth year of age. But the Court may, in case of having appropriate reason, allow them to marry before attaining such age.

    Section 1449. A marriage cannot take place if either the man or the woman is an insane person or adjudged incompetent.

    Section 1450. A marriage connot take place if the man and woman are blood relations in the direct ascendant or descendant line, or brother or sister of full or half blood. The said relationship shall be in accordance with blood relation without regard to its legitimacy.

    Section 1451 . An adopter cannot marry the adopted.

    Section 1452. A marriage cannot take place if the man or woman is already the spouse of another person.

    Section 1 453. In case of the woman whose husband died or whose marriage has become terminated, the marriage can only take place if not less than three hundred and ten days have elapsed since the termination of her previous marriage; unless

    (1) a child has been born during such period;
    (2) the divorced couple remarry;
    [highlight=yellow:689be5ed76](3) there is a certificate issued by a qualified doctor who is a lawful physical practitioner in medicine showing that the woman is not pregnant;[/highlight:689be5ed76]
    (4) there is an order of the Court allowing the woman to marry.

    Section 1454. In case of marriage of a minor, the provisions of Section 1436 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

    Section 1455. Giving consent to the marriage may be made:
    (1) by affixing signature of the person giving consent in the Register at the time of registration of the marriage;

    (2) by a consent document stating the names of the parties to the marriage and signed
    by the person giving consent;
    (3) by verbal declaration before at least two witnesses in case of necessity.
    Te consent having been given cannot be revoked.

    Section 1456. In case where there is no person having the power to give consent under Section 1454, or if the person refuses to give consent or is in the position of being unable to give consent, or the minor cannot, in such circumstances, ask for the consent, the minor may file an application with the Court for giving consent to the marriage.

    Section 1457. Marriage under this Code shall be effected only on registration being made.

    Section 1458. A marriage can take place only if the man and woman agree to take each other as husband and wife, and such agreement must be declared publicly before the Registrar in order to have it recorded by the Registrar.

    Section 1459. A marriage in foreign country between Thai people or between a Thai people and a foreigner may be effected according to the form prescribed by Thai law or by the law of the country where it takes place.
    If the spouses desire to have the marriage registered according to Thai law, the registration shall be effected by a Thai Diplomatic or Consular Officer.

    Section 1460. In case where there exists special circumstances that make the marriage registration by the Registrar unable because either or both of the man and woman were in imminent danger of death or in the state of armed conflict or war, if a declaration of intention to marry has been made by the man and woman before a person of sui juris living there, who would have noted down as an evidence such intention, and if the registration of marriage between the man and woman was effected thereafter not later than ninety days as from the date of first possible opportunity to apply for registration of marriage with production of the evidence of the intention in order to have the date and place of declaration of intention to marry and the special circumstances recorded by the Registrar in the Marriage Register, the day on which declaration of intention to marry has been made to the said person shall be deemed as the date of registration of marriage.
    The provisions of this Section shall not apply to the marriage that is void if it should take place on the date of declaration of intention.



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    CHAPTER III
    RELATIONSHIP OF HUSBAND AND WIFE
    (Ed. Note: This chapter extends from Section 1461-1464/1.)


    Section 1461. Husband and wife shall cohabit as husband and wife.
    Husband and wife shall maintain and support each other according to his or her ability and condition in life.

    Section 1462. Where the physical or mental health or happiness of either spouse is greatly imperiled by continuance of cohabitation, the spouse so imperiled may apply to the Court for authorization to live apart while the danger persists; and in such case, the Court may order such amount of maintenance to be furnished by one of the spouses to the other as may be proper according to the circumstances.

    Section 1463. If one of the spouses is adjudged incompetent or quasi-incompetent, the other becomes guardian or curator by operation of law. But on application of any interested person or of Public Prosecutor, the Court may on substantial grounds, appoint another person as guardian or curator.

    (1) Section 1464. If one of the spouse becomes insane, irrespective of whether he or she has been adjudged incompetent or not, and the other fails to give proper maintenance to the insane spouse under Section 1461 paragraph two, does or fails to do any thing to the extent that il plunges the insaw spouse into the position which is likely endangering the latter's body or mind, or causing any undue loss to the latter's property, the persons as specified in Section 28* or the guardian may enter an action against the other claiming maintenance for the insane spouse, or apply for any order of the Court to protect the insane spouse.
    If, in case of entering the action for maintenance under paragraph one, no order has yet been given to effect the insane spouse to become incapacitated person, an application shall be made 10 the Court in the same case for an order effecting such insane spouse to be an incapacitated person and to appoint the applicant himself or herself as the guardian. If such order effecting the incapacitated person on the insane spouse has been given, an application for removal of the old guardian and appointment of a new one may be made.

    In applying for any order of the Court for protecting the insane spouse without claiming maintenance, the applicant may not request the Court to order effecting the insane spouse to be an incapacitated person or to change the quardian. If the measures for protection as requested, in the opinion of the Court, requires an appointment or change of the guardian, the Court shall firstly give an order effecting the carrying out of the similar activities as provided in paragraph two, and then give a protection order as it is deemed suitable.
    (2)Section 1464/1 During the Court trial under Section 1464, the Court may, upon request, determine any temporary measures concerning the maintenance or protection of the insane spouse as it is deemed suitable. If it is a case of emergency, the provisions on the request in case of emergency under the Civil Procedure Code shall apply.

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    Chapter VI
    Termination of Marriage
    (Ed. note: This Chapter extends from Sections 1501-1535.)


    Section 1501: Marriage is terminated by death, divorce or being cancelled by the Court.
    Section 1502: A voidable marriage terminates upon cancellation decided by judgment of the Court.
    Section 1503: An application to the Court for cancellation of marriage on the ground of its avoidable shall be made only in the case where the spouses have not complied with Section 1448, Section 1505, Section 1506, Section 1507, and Section 1509.
    Section 1504: An interested person other than the parents or guardian who have given their consent to the marriage is entitled to apply for cancellation of the marriage on the ground of its voidability.
    If the court has not cancelled the marriage until both man and woman have completed the age required under Section 1448 or if the woman has become pregnant before such completion, the marriage shall be deemed to be valid from the time it was made.
    Section 1505: A marriage which is made on account of mistake as to the identity of the other spouse shall be deemed to be voidable.
    The right to apply for cancellation of the marriage on account of mistake as to the identity of the spouse shall be terminated after the lapse of ninety days from the date of marriage.
    Section 1506: A marriage is voidable if it is made by the spouoses on account of fraud to such an extent that without it the marriage would not have been made.
    Section 1507: A marriage s voidable if it is made by the spouses on account of duress to such an extent that without it the marriage would not have been made.
    The right to apply for cancellation of the marriage on account of duress shall be terminated after the lapse of one year from the day on which the spouse is free from duress.
    Section1508: Where the marriage is voidable on account of mistake as to the identity of the spouse, fraud or duress, only the spouse who mistook the identity of the other, or was induced by fraud or duress to contract the marriage may apply for the cancellation of such marriage.
    In case where the person entitled to apply for the cancellation of the marriage has been adjudged incompetent, the person who may apply to the Court for an order effecting an insane person to be an incapacitated person under Section 29, may also apply for the cancellation of such marriage. Where the person entitled to apply for the cancellation of the marriage is an insane person not yet adjudged incompetent, the said person may apply for the cancellation of such marriage but must apply concurrently to the Court for an order effecting him to be an incapacitated person. If the Court gives an order revoking the application for an order effecting him to be an incapacitated person, the Court shall also order revoking the application made by the said person for the cancellation of the marriage.
    The order of the Court revoking the application made by the person for cancellation of the marriage under paragraph two does not effect the right of the spouse to apply for the cancellation of the marriage; provided that the spouse exercise his or her right within the remaining period of time. If the remaining period of time is less than six months as from the day on which the order of the Court revoking the application made by the said person for cancellation of the marriage is given, or if there remains no such period, the period of time shall correspondingly be extended to the completion of six months as from the day on which the order of the Court revoking the application made by the said person for the cancellation of the marriage is given.
    Section 1509: The marriage made without consent of the persons mentioned in Section 1454 is voidable.
    Section 1510: Where the marriage is voidable on account of having been made without consent of the persons mentioned in Section 1454, only the person who can give the consent under Section 1454 may apply for the cancellation of the marriage.
    The right to apply for the cancellation of the marriage under this Section is extinguished when the spouse has completed the age of twentieth year or when the woman has become pregnant.
    The action for the cancellation of the marriage under this Section is barred by prescription after one year from the day where the marriage is known.
    Section 1511: The marriage which is cancelled by judgment of the Court shall be deemed to have terminated on the day when the judgment becomes final; provided, however, that it may not be set up to the prejudice of the rights of third persons acting in good faith unless the cancellation of the marriage has been registered.
    Section 1512: The provisions concerning the result of divorce by judgment of the Court shall apply to the result of cancellation of the marriage mutatis mutandis [Ed. Latin, the necessary changes having been made].
    Section 1513: If it appears that the spouse sued on cancellation of the marriage has known of the ground of the avoidability, such spouse is required to make compensation for the damage to the body, reputation or property of the other arising from such marriage, and the provisions of Section 1525 shall apply mutatis mutandis.
    If the other spouse becomes destitute due to the cancellation of the marriage under paragraph one and derives insufficient income out of his or her property of business which used to be carried on during the marriage, the spouse against whom the action has been brought is also required to be liable to living allowances as provided in section 1526.
    Section 1514: Divorce may be effected only by mutual consent or by judgment of the Court.
    Divorce effected by mutual consent must be made in writing and certified by the signatures of at least two witnesses.
    Section 1515: Where marriage has been registered as provided by this Code, divorce by mutual consent is valid only if the registration thereof is effected by both the husband and wife.
    Section 1516: Grounds of action for divorce are as follows:
    (1) the husband has given maintenance to or honored such other woman as his wife, or the wife has committed adultery, the other spouse may enter a claim for divorce;
    (2) one spouse is guilty of misconduct, notwithstanding whether such misconduct is a criminal offence or not, if it causes the other:
    (a) to be seriously ashamed;
    (b) to be insulted of hated [sic] or account of continuance of being husband or wife of the spouse having committed the misconduct; or
    (c) to sustain excessive injury or trouble where the condition, position and cohabitation as husband and wife are taken into consideration; the latter may enter a claim for divorce;
    (3) one spouse has caused serious harm or torture to the body or mind of the other, or has seriously insulted the other or his or her ascendants, the latter may enter a claim for divorce;
    (4) one spouse has deserted the other for more than one year, the latter may enter a claim for divorce;
    (4/1) one spouse had been sentenced by a final judgment of the Court and has been imprisoned for more than one year in the offence committed without any participation, consent or in the knowledge of the other, and the cohabitation as husband and wife will cause the other party sustain excessive injury or trouble, the latter may enter a claim for divorce;
    (4/2) the husband and wife voluntarily live separately because of being unable to cohabit peacefully for more than three years, or live separately for more than three years by the order of the Court, either spouse may enter a claim for divorce;
    (5) one spouse has been adjudged to have disappeared, or as left his or her domicile or residence for more than three years and being uncertain whether he or she is living or dead;
    (6) one spouse has failed to give proper maintenance and support to the other, or committed acts seriously adverse to the relationship of husband and wife to such an extent that the other has been in excessive trouble where the condition, position and cohabitation as husband and wife are taking into consideration, the latter may enter a claim for divorce;
    (7) one spouse has been an insane person for more than three years continuously and such insanity is hardly curable so that the continuance of marriage cannot be expected, the other may enter a claim for divorce;
    (8) one spouse has broken a bond of good behavior executed by him or her, the other spouse may enter a claim for divorce;
    (9) one spouse is suffering from a communicable and dangerous disease which is incurable and may cause injury to the other, the latter may file a claim for divorce;
    (10) one spouse has a physical disadvantage so as to be permanently unable to cohabit as husband and wife, the other may enter a claim for divorce.

    Section 1517. No action for divorce may be instituted by the husband or wife, as the case may be if such spouse has consented to or connived at the acts under Section 1516 (1) and (2) upon which the actio for divorce is based.
    If the ground of action for divorce under Section 1516 (10) has resulted from the act of the other spouse, the action for divorce based upon such ground may not be instituted by such other spouse.
    Where the action for divorce based upon the ground under section 1516 (8) has been instituted, the Court may not pronounce judgment to effect the divorce if the bahavior of the nusband or wife that causes the bond to have been executed is a minor cause or of no imprtance in relation to peacful cohabitation as husband and wife.

    Section 1518. The right to institute an action for divorce would be terminated if the spouse entitled thereto has committed any act showing his or her forgiveness to the act done by the other that has caused the right to institute the action for divorce.

    Section 1519. In case where one spouse is an insane person and if there gives rise to the ground of action for divorce irrespectiv e of whether it arises before or after the insanity, the person entitled to apply to the Court for an order effecting the instance person to be an incapicitated person under Sectoin 28* shall have the power to enter an action against the other spouse for divorce and liquidation of the property. In such a case if no order of the Court effecting the insance spouse to be an incapacitated person has yet been given, the said person shall apply to the Court in the same case for an order effecting the insane spouse to be an incapacitated person.
    The said person may, if deemed suitable, also apply to the Court for giving the order under Section 1526 and Section 1530.
    In case where the spouse alleged to be an insance person has not yet been adjudged incompetent, and if the Court deems that such spouse should not be judged incompetent, the case shall then be dismissed. If the spouse is deemed suitable to be adjudged incompetent but an order to effect the divorce should not yet be given as yet, the Court shall adjudge the spouse to be an incapacitated person and may not give order concerning the gurarian or appointing other person to be guardian under Section 1463 while the application for divorce will be dismissed, and the Court may in this connection give an order determinng living allowances. In case where the spouse is deemed to be insane and should be adjudged incompetent by the Court and the application for divorce should also be granted, the Court shall issue an order n the judgment effectng such spouse to be an incapacitated person, appointing a guardian and allowing the divorce.
    In case there the Court deems that the ground upon which the claim for divorce is based is not proper to the condition of the incapacitated spouse who is going to divorce the other spouse, ir it is not proper under such circumstances that divorce should be allowed, the Court may not pronounce the judgment to effect the divorce.

    Section 1520. In case of divorce by mutual consent, the spouses shall make an agreement n writing for the exercise of parental power over each of the children. In the absence of such agreement or an agreement thereon cannot be reached, the matter shall be decided by the Court.
    In case of divorce by judgment of the Court, the Court trying the divorce case shall also order that the parental power over each of the children belongs to any party. If, in such trial, it is deemed proper to deprive that spouse of the parental power under Section 1582, the Court may give an order depriving that spouse of the same and appointing a third person as a guardian, by taking into consideration the happiness and interest of the child.

    Section 1521. If it appears that the person exercising parental power of the guardian under Section 1520 behaves himself or herself improperly or there is a change of circumstances after the appointment, the Court has the power to give an order appointing a new guardian by taking into consideration the happiness and interest of the child.

    Section 1522. In case of divorce by mutual consent, an arrangement shall be made and contained in the agreement of divorce as to who, both of the spouses or either spouse, will contribute to the maintenance of the children and how much is the contribution.
    In case of divorce by judgment of the Court or in case the agreement of divorce contains no provisions concerning the maintenance of the children, the Court shall determine it.

    Section 1523. In case of divorce by judgment of the Court on the ground as provided in Section 1516 (1), the husband or wife is entitled to compensation from the husband or wife and other woman or adulterer, as the case may be.
    The husband is entitled to claim compensation from any person who has wrongfully taken liberties with his wife in an adulterous manner, and the wife is entitled to claim compensation from other woman who has openly shown her adulterous relations with the former’s husband. However, the husband or wife is not entitled to claim compensation if he or she has consented to or connived at the act done by other party under Section 1516 (1) or allowed other person to act as provided in paragraph two.

    Section 1524. If the ground of action for divorce under Section 1516 (3), (4) or (6) has arisen through an act of the party at fault with the intention to make the other party so intolerable that action for divorce has to be entered, the other party is entitled to compensation from the party at fault.

    Section 1525. The compensation under Section 1523 and Section 1524 shall be decided by the Court according to the circumstances, and the Court may give an order for a single payment thereof or payment in instalments as may be deemed suitable by the Court.
    In case where the person who has to make the Compensation is a spouse of the other party, the share of the property received by the former from the liquidation of the Sin Somros on account of divorce shall also be taken into consideration.

    Section 1526. In a case of divorce, if the ground for divorce has derived from the guilt of only one party, and the divorce will make the other become destitute deriving insufficient income out of his or her property or business which used to be carried on during the marriage, the latter is entitled to apply for the living allowances to be paid by the party at fault. The Court may decide whether the living allowances be granted or not by taking the ability of the grantor and the condition in life of the receiver into consideration, and the provisions of Section 1598/39, Section 1598/40 and Section 1598/41 shall apply mutatis mutandis.
    The right to claim the living allowances is extinguished if it is not raised in the plaint or counter-claim in the action for divorce.

    Section 1527. If a divorce is effected on the ground of insanity under Section 1516 (7) or on the ground of suffering from a communicable and dangerous disease under Section 1516 (9), the other spouse shall furnish living allowances to the spouse who is insane or is suffering from the disease, according to Section 1526, mutatis mutandis.

    Section 1 528. If the party receiving living allowances remarries, the right to receive living allowances is extinguished.

    Section 1529. Rights of action based upon any of the grounds provided in Section 1516 (1), (2), (3) or (6), or Section 1523 are extinguished after one year when the fact which can be alleged by the claimant has been known or should have been known to him or her.
    Grounds upon which a claim for divorce can no longer be based may still be proved in support of another claim for divorce based upon other grounds.

    Section 1530. Where an action for divorce is pending, the Court may, on application of either party, make any provisional order which it thinks proper such as those concerning the Sin Somros, the lodging, the maintenance of the spouses and the custody and maintenance of children.

    Section 1531. In case where a marriage has been registered according to law, divorce by mutual consent takes effect from the time of registration.
    Divorce by judgment of the Court takes effect on and from the time when the judgment becomes final; however, such judgment may not be set up to the prejudice to the rights of third persons acting in good faith unless the divorce has been registered.

    Section 1532. After divorce, the property of the husband and wife shall be subject to liquidation.
    But as between the spouses,
    (a) in case of divorce by mutual consent, the liquidation shall apply to the property of
    the husband and wife as it was on the date of registration of divorce;
    (b) in case of divorce by judgment, the liquidation shall apply to the property of the
    husband and wife as it was on the day when the action for divorce was entered in Court.

    Section 1533. Upon divorce, the Sin Somros shall be divided equally between man and woman.

    Section 1534. Where either spouse has made disposal of the Sin Somros for his or her exclusive benefit, or has made disposal thereof with an intention to cause injury to the other, or has made disposal thereof without the consent of the other in the case where such disposal is required by law to have consent of the other, or has wilfully destroyed it, it shall, for the purpose of division of the Sin Somros under Section 1533, be regarded as if such property had still remained. If the share of the Sin Somros that the other will receive is not complete to what he or she should have received, the party at fault is required to make up for the arrears from his or her share of the Sin Somros or his or her Sin Suan Tua.

    Section 1535. Upon termination of the marriage, the man and woman shall be liable for common debts equally.

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    Damit habe ich gefunden, was ich suche. Ich werde in den kommenden Tagen versuchen, dieses in's Deutsche zu übersetzen und auch die entsprechungen aus dem BGB beizufügen.

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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von Ralf_aus_Do",p="300189
    ...überprüft das OLG anhand des thailändischen Familienrechts, ob eine ehe möglich ist...
    Du meinst wohl die Befreiung vom Ehefähigkeitsnachweis.

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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von Loso",p="300349
    Zitat Zitat von Ralf_aus_Do",p="300189
    ...überprüft das OLG anhand des thailändischen Familienrechts, ob eine ehe möglich ist...
    Du meinst wohl die Befreiung vom Ehefähigkeitsnachweis.
    Manche OLG's fordern fuer die Eheschliessung mit einem Auslaender ein "Ehefaehigkeitszeugnis" ausgestellt von den heimischen Behoerden und und zwar in der Art, wie es Deutschland ausstellt.

    Thailand gehoert jedoch zu den Laendern, die grundsaetzlich keine Ehefaehigkeitszeugnisse erstellen und somit muss dann mit dem Formblatt "Antrag auf Befreiung von der Beibringung eines Ehefaehigkeitzeugnisses" mit der Thematik umgegangen werden.

    Trotz allem wird natuerlich die Ehefaehigkeit geprueft. Gewoehlich an Hand der typischen Standardunterlagen, die da sind

    - Geburtsurkunde
    - Ledigkeitszeugnis
    - Auszug aus dem Hausregister
    - Auszug dem Familienregister, ausgestellt vom Zentralregiser Bangkok

    Im Fall von Vorehen, Scheidung, Namensaenderung kommen dann natuerlich weitere Papiere zum Tragen.

    Ob Legalisation erforderlich ist oder nicht, ist von OLG zu OLG unterschiedlich. Auch ob eine auslaendische Entscheidung in Sachen Familienrecht (z. B. Scheidung von zwei Personen mit ausschliesslich auslaendischer Staatsbuergerschaft) von den deutschen Landesjustizverwaltungen anerkannt werden muessen, oder ob dies unter dem Aspekt der "Heimatstaatenentscheidung" nicht erforderlich ist. Wie sich an Losos Liste zeigt, akzeptiert das OLG Stuttgart eine Heimatstaatentscheidung waehrend z. B. das OLG Hamm dieses grundsaetzlich nicht tut.

    Generell ist sicherlich unbedingt zwischen der Thematik "Pruefung der Ehefaehigkeit" und "Beibringung eines Ehefaehigkeitszeugnis" zu unterscheiden. Ersteres ist IMMER notwendig durch den Standesbeamten, gemaess den Vorgaben des zustaendigen OLG und zwar bei jeglicher Art von Eheschliessung, waehrend zweitgenanntes laenderabhaengig ist.

    Viele Gruesse,
    Richard

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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von Loso",p="300349
    Zitat Zitat von Ralf_aus_Do",p="300189
    ...überprüft das OLG anhand des thailändischen Familienrechts, ob eine ehe möglich ist...
    Du meinst wohl die Befreiung vom Ehefähigkeitsnachweis.
    Ja, Loso, genau dieses Dokument, oder dieser Leitfaden ist FEHLERHAFT, irgendwer beim OLG hat da gepennt!

    Das OLG muß prüfen, ob beide Ehepartner nach dem Rechtssystem des Ausländers heiraten dürfen (nicht mehr aber auch nicht weniger). Hierzu hat das OLG Stuttgart diese rudimentären Informationen zusammengestellt und schreibt darin "Wartezeit von 310 Tagen nach Scheidung" - eine eindeutige Fehlinformation die erheblichen Ärger verursachen kann.

    Daher habe ich auch recherchiert, wie das thailändische Personenstandsrecht wirklich aussieht und werde den englischen Text in's deutsche übersetzen. Da ich davon ausgehe, daß das OLG Hamm auch nur die von Stuttgart zugänglich gemachten Informationen hat werde ich die deutsche Übersetzung zu den anderen Unterlagen beifügen und hoffen, daß sich das OLG Hamm nicht allzu blöd anstellt.

    Zitat Zitat von Tramaico",p="300374
    [...]
    Manche OLG's fordern fuer die Eheschliessung mit einem Auslaender ein "Ehefaehigkeitszeugnis" ausgestellt von den heimischen Behoerden und und zwar in der Art, wie es Deutschland ausstellt.

    Thailand gehoert jedoch zu den Laendern, die grundsaetzlich keine Ehefaehigkeitszeugnisse erstellen und somit muss dann mit dem Formblatt "Antrag auf Befreiung von der Beibringung eines Ehefaehigkeitzeugnisses" mit der Thematik umgegangen werden.
    [...]
    Das ist meines wissens nach so nicht ganz richtig.

    Vielmehr geht dies aus dem BGB hervor

    § 1309
    Ehefähigkeitszeugnis für Ausländer
    (1) Wer hinsichtlich der Voraussetzungen der Eheschließung vorbehaltlich des Artikels 13 Abs. 2 des Einführungsgesetzes zum Bürgerlichen Gesetzbuche ausländischem Recht unterliegt, soll eine Ehe nicht eingehen, bevor er ein Zeugnis der inneren Behörde seines Heimatstaats darüber beigebracht hat, dass der Eheschließung nach dem Recht dieses Staates kein Ehehindernis entgegensteht. Als Zeugnis der inneren Behörde gilt auch eine Bescheinigung, die von einer anderen Stelle nach Maßgabe eines mit dem Heimatstaat des Betroffenen geschlossenen Vertrags erteilt ist. Das Zeugnis verliert seine Kraft, wenn die Ehe nicht binnen sechs Monaten seit der Ausstellung geschlossen wird; ist in dem Zeugnis eine kürzere Geltungsdauer angegeben, ist diese maßgebend.

    (2) Von dem Erfordernis nach Absatz 1 Satz 1 kann der Präsident des Oberlandesgerichts, in dessen Bezirk der Standesbeamte, bei dem die Eheschließung angemeldet worden ist, seinen Sitz hat, Befreiung erteilen. Die Befreiung soll nur Staatenlosen mit gewöhnlichem Aufenthalt im Ausland und Angehörigen solcher Staaten erteilt werden, deren Behörden keine Ehefähigkeitszeugnisse im Sinne des Absatzes 1 ausstellen. In besonderen Fällen darf sie auch Angehörigen anderer Staaten erteilt werden. Die Befreiung gilt nur für die Dauer von sechs Monaten.
    Sprich Hochzeit mit Ausländer, dessen Staat ein Ehefähigkeitszeugnis ausstellt ist erstmal 'No Plomplem', Thailand stellt aber keins aus, also müssen sich Thailänder und Thailänderinnen (kurze Anmerkung am Rand, in D haben 1999 ungefähr 45 thailändische Männer eine deutsche Frau geheiratet, in der anderen Richtung waren es ca. 2.500) sich vom OLG von der Pflicht befreien lassen ein Ehefähigkeitszeugnis beizubringen. Hierzu prüft dann das OLG, ob nach ausländischem (Hier thailändischem) Recht geheiratet werden dürfte.

    Daher ist das thailändische Personenstandsrecht an dieser Stelle für uns sehr wichtig!

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    Hallo,
    an dieser Stelle einmal die Frage ob jemanden der ALG I bezieht durch irgendein Dokument (Ehefähigkeit, Verpflichtungserklärung....) die Heirat verweigert werden könnte. Normalerweise ist die Heirat ja durch das Grundgesetz geschützt.
    Die Frage aus dem grund da ich ja ersteinmal unter ALG I falle für max.22 Monate.
    Deswegen meine bange Frage ob es neue Hürden geben könnte.

    Wingman

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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von wingman",p="300427
    ...Normalerweise...Heirat...Grundgesetz ...
    Wäre mir neu. Vielleicht meinst du die Ehe?
    Der für ein Visum erforderliche Nachweis für den Lebensunterhalt des Antragstellers durch den Einladenden liegt im Schnitt (kann in jeder Kommune anders ausgelegt werden) kaum über dem Sozialhilfe-Satz. Fraglich ist evt. ob bestehende Unterhaltsansprüche hinzugerechnet werden.
    -Das ist übrigens eine Visumfrage.

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    Zitat Zitat von Loso",p="300432
    Zitat Zitat von wingman",p="300427
    ...Normalerweise...Heirat...Grundgesetz ...
    Wäre mir neu.[...]
    Ist aber grundsätzlich richtig.

    Art 6 GG Ehe und Familie; nichteheliche Kinder

    (1) Ehe und Familie stehen unter dem besonderen Schutze der staatlichen Ordnung.
    (2) Pflege und Erziehung der Kinder sind das natürliche Recht der Eltern und die zuvörderst ihnen obliegende Pflicht. Über ihre Betätigung wacht die staatliche Gemeinschaft.
    (3) Gegen den Willen der Erziehungsberechtigten dürfen Kinder nur auf Grund eines Gesetzes von der Familie getrennt werden, wenn die Erziehungsberechtigten versagen oder wenn die Kinder aus anderen Gründen zu verwahrlosen drohen.
    (4) Jede Mutter hat Anspruch auf den Schutz und die Fürsorge der Gemeinschaft.
    (5) Den unehelichen Kindern sind durch die Gesetzgebung die gleichen Bedingungen für ihre leibliche und seelische Entwicklung und ihre Stellung in der Gesellschaft zu schaffen wie den ehelichen Kindern.


    Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat dies zur Eheschließungsfreiheit im auch hier sehr interessanten Spanierbeschluß berücksichtigt.

    Ich werde (da es für viele wohl interessant ist) mal eine Sammlung an Gesetzestexten (dem oben angefürten Thailändischen - Englischsprachigen in deutscher Übersetzung und auch die für Ehe Familie und Ausländerrecht wichtigen deutschen) hier zusammenstellen. Das kann aber einige Tage dauern. Anschließend würde ich die Moderation bitten, den sich ergebenen Thread 'Gesetzestexte' hier oben anzupinnen.

  9. #8
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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Achtung nichts durcheinanderbringen hier. Es geht um den Schutz der EHE und nicht das Recht der Eheschliessung.

    Es ist meiner Meinung nach eine Ausnutzung der Sozialsysteme und des Steuerzahlers wenn jemand zwar heiraten und Kinder haben will, aber nicht fuer die Familie sorgen kann und dafuer die Allgemeinheit, sprich den Sozialstaat von vornhereinen zur Rechenschaft ziehen will. Ich spreche hier nicht von unverschuldeten Notlagen, in die jeder reinschlittern kann, sondern den bewussten Rechtsmissbrauch, die Verweigerung jeglicher Selbstverantwortlichkeit.

    Dieses ist der Knackepunkt in Deutschland. Befreiung von der eigenen Verantwortung, denn der Staat und sprich der Steuerzahler MUESSEN ja fuer mich sorgen und zwar lediglich deshalb, weil ich einen deutschen Pass habe.

    Wenn diese Denke sich nicht aendert, wird Deutschland nie aus seiner derzeitigen maroden Situation herauskommen, in das sich das Land durch voellig ueberspitzte Sozialdenke hineingebracht hat.

    Selbsthilfe scheint absolut out zu sein und jeder erinnert sich an seine Rechte, aber keiner an seine Pflichten. Wer nach Freiheit ruft muss auch bereit sein, Verantwortung fuer sich selbst und sein Tun zu nehmen.

    Da die (bereis geschlossene) Ehe und die Familie ja unter verfassungsrechtlichem Schutz steht gibt es praktisch nur eine Moeglichkeit gegen Missbrauch einigermassen anzusteuern, naemlich durch das Aufenthaltsgesetz und die Auflagen zur Eheschliessung, speziell auch um den sogenannten Scheinehen gegenzuwirken.

    Bei rein deutschen "Paarungen" gibt es diesen Schutzmechanismus jedoch nicht und so wird dann schliesslich auch das 10. Kind unter Sozialhilfeverhaeltnissen in die Welt gesetzt und das Grundgesetz zitiert, dass ein jeder ja schliesslich Recht auf Familie habe, selbst wenn dieses durch seine Mitbuerger finanziert werden muss. Somit steigen dann auch die Steuer- und Soziallasten fuer die tatsaechlich rackernde Bevoelkerung ins Unertraegliche. Solidaritaet, soziale Verantwortung etc. wohl kaum, sondern dies wird nur von den Rechtschaffenden gefordert, waehrend sich die Nassauer alles andere als solidarisch und sozial zeigen.

    Off-topic ich weiss, ich weiss aber vielleicht als kleine Korrektur in Bezug auf die notorische Rechtpocherei. Mit Rechten kommen auch Pflichten oder aber das Recht auf Recht wird durch all die fordernden Haende langsam und stetig erwuergt. Der Wind in Deutschland wird und muss zwangslaeufig schaerfer werden und zwar ehe der letzte deutsche Unternehmer frustiert abgewandert ist.

    Das Wort zum Sonntag, aber diesmal nicht vom Pfaffen gesprochen. Darum muss auch kein "Knopf" in den Klingelbeutel geworfen werden ;-D

    Viele Gruesse,
    Richard

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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von Ralf_aus_Do",p="300418
    ......Hierzu hat das OLG Stuttgart diese rudimentären Informationen zusammengestellt und schreibt darin "Wartezeit von 310 Tagen nach Scheidung" - eine eindeutige Fehlinformation die erheblichen Ärger verursachen kann....
    Ralf,

    es ist leider keine Fehlinformation, sondern wird in TH so gehandhabt ...... damit soll vermieden werden, dass die Frau eine Schwangerschaft aus ihrer letzten Ehe in die neue Ehe einbringt.

    Dies ist, wenn ich mich Recht erinnere in einer Verwaltungsanordung zu dem Gesetz geregelt.

    Gruß Johann

  11. #10
    karo5100
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    Re: Thailändische Familienrecht Übersetzt

    Zitat Zitat von wingman",p="300427
    Deswegen meine bange Frage ob es neue Hürden geben könnte.
    Falls in Thailand geheiratet wird, gibt es keine Hürden,
    das einige ist die Angabe der Einkommensverhältnissse
    für die Konsularbescheinigung, wobei ich aber auch da
    annehme, daß die Botschaft das nicht gegencheckt...

    Es könnte höchstens später von der Ausländerbehörde Auflagen geben
    wegen des Aufenthaltsstatus.

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